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How do you recover from a slide in a turn? Almost low sided.

Yesterday I was making a left turn in an intersection when a cager decided he was going to make a right turn into my lane. To get out of his way I had to accelerate while I was in the turn.

It happened so fast I couldn't tell you lean angle or speed, but I was in second gear and definitely wasn't dragging the pegs or anything.

But when I gave it gas I felt the rear tire break free and start to spin (like drifting in a car). I don't know what I did to correct it but eventually I did, it wiggled pretty bad and I was on my way. I think I slowly reduced throttle and kept the front wheel pointing forward. I know I didn't turn the wheel at all.

It got me thinking, what I did may have worked but I'm not sure if its ideal. What are you supposed to do if the rear comes loose in a turn to avoid low siding? Or at the very least avoid high siding.
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Don't chop the throttle in that situation most likely it will cause a high side
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honestly its going to come down to how much seat time you have to react appropriately and a lot of luck. In that moment you dont have time to think, your body just has to know what to do. I have saved a couple low sides by reverting to my old dirt bike habits and being comfortable with the back end coming out but in no way was it intentional. The biggest thing is to be smooth though. Smooth inputs with steering, throttle and brakes are your friend.
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Don't chop the throttle in that situation most likely it will cause a high side
What do you mean by don't chop the throttle?
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hate to break it to you but you probably did nothing.

read this

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honestly its going to come down to how much seat time you have to react appropriately and a lot of luck. In that moment you dont have time to think, your body just has to know what to do. I have saved a couple low sides by reverting to my old dirt bike habits and being comfortable with the back end coming out but in no way was it intentional. The biggest thing is to be smooth though. Smooth inputs with steering, throttle and brakes are your friend.
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I agree w/ the X and Buechler....

its an instant reaction to the rear stepping out.......takes some time to learn..

throttle steady (or still opening),rear wheel steps,turn front into slide.....maintain throttle and wait/feel for rear hookup again....watch for going on a wider line than you want...(i used to hit the berm at this point and go sailing.....)

idea is to keep front wheel tracking/holding traction, and rear under control, until rear traction is regained.

learned on dirtbikes as a kid....
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I had this happen like 6 months ago after work but mine was just too deep in a turn and either cold tires or I hit a slip spot I think it was anti freeze going back the next day seeing a green/black stain..

Anyways just just hold on the throttle don't punch it or let to..

Punching it will wash you out letting to with like above said throw you over the top and end up being worse.. Luckily it surprised me and I didn't know what was goin on and actually enjoyed it and held into the throttle and rode it out and was stoked..

Then 2 mon later realized what I just did and then the panic set in on thinking I could have lost my bike. Big truck in the out side turn I probably would have gone right under him.. But I learned after that I just happened to do the right thing and roll it out..

I now don't lean as hard with cold tires or on corners I don't need much lean at all due to no reason risking it. Also on the Bridgestone tires I'm not a fan of..


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that link confirmed, easing into more throttle(accelerating) helps settle the slide, hmm....always thought so

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How do you recover from a slide in a turn? Almost low sided.

It might be worth taking a dirt bike riding class. Some if the techniques you'll learn will save your life in the event that you ever lose traction like that again.

Turning into the skid, applying gentle throttle and pressing down on your outside peg (posture) are some techniques that could assist in regaining control, depending on your situation.

Pulling in your clutch, decelerating and touching your front brakes are some ways to go down.

Learning to understand your suspension and tires and how they react in turns will help you understand these techniques. Most of these are taught in BRC ARC and pretty much any riders course.

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Re: How do you recover from a slide in a turn? Almost low sided.

When in doubt throttle out.. Nuff said

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I've had this happen a few times if you think about it, your rear wheel is spinning to fast so you gotta use rear brake, another way to stop it trying to spin off is open the clutch so i do that first(seconds) and feather the rear brake, gain traction again and power out, but i keep the throttle constant, its not something you use to slow so never give more throttle in this situation

also, turn into your skid, my worst one was brand new tyres in torrential rain pitch black night accelerating out a roundabout...JUST picked up my leathers that day, thought i was about to use them as well same day...haha

well...works for me anyways but I've only been riding everyday for 5yrs so i'm no expert, i know some ride for like 30yrs maybe they will chip in
Ummm, don't do this ^^^

If you get a rear wheel slide then the worst thing you can do is to suddenly chop the throttle (meaning a quick roll off the gas) as this can cause the bike to suddenly regain traction and flick you off (highside). You definitely don't want to use the rear brake as this can lock the rear wheel and continue the tire slide and you don't want to add more throttle as you would keep the tire spinning.

Here is a link to an article I wrote on Highsides for Motorcycle Mojo magazine which talks a little bit about slides and what you can do if you experience them. I hope it helps!

http://www.mistihurst.com/files/J_F_07.pdf

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Stop accelerating. Don't slow down, don't brake, don't "gas out". Rotate the throttle forward just a hair, the bike does the rest.

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red line the bike, drop the clutch. works every time.
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Is this the right place to mention I make my rear end slide on purpose?
Just 'cause it's fun.

Seriously though, agreed with link provided and replies here. Doing nothing is usually the best decision. Most of the time these situations happen, and are over before we have time to react, which is a good thing most of the time.

Don't panic, don't fixate. Stay focused. There is no magic solution to any situation. Repitition (hint hint track) will make you more consistent in your responses.

Oh, and check your tire pressure frequently. A low psi tire will not be your friend when it starts spinning.

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Rear Slides

As the rear of the bike starts to slide the natural reaction is to close the throttle as most believe that's the root of the problem. By closing the throttle all you are doing is allowing the tyre to grip very suddenly which in turn fully compresses the suspension. When the suspension unloads it will inevitably lead to a highside. A constant throttle action is the key and the best way to practice is to get yourself on a trackday.

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Is this the right place to mention I make my rear end slide on purpose? Just 'cause it's fun.
Completely agree. It's good fun to back it in on corner entry and even more fun spinning it up on the exit. Not so good for lap times mind you...
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When you have a chance you should tap «twist of the wrist II» in youtube and watch the Keiths Code Video and you'll learn a bit about throttle control and how you shouldn't stay stiff on the handlebars or avoiding highsides/lowsides.
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Me 2 years ago: Fast forward to 1 minute.....I ever sooo slightly let off the throttle (more like maintained throttle), didn't cut the throttle, loosened up my grip/body, an waited for the flick to occur....the bike did the rest.

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Me 2 years ago: Fast forward to 1 minute.....I ever sooo slightly let off the throttle (more like maintained throttle), didn't cut the throttle, loosened up my grip/body, an waited for the flick to occur....the bike did the rest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=4lntDwXNO-o
woah!! ... i woulda stained my leathers bro. nicely saved though!
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some examples of how letting the bike alone and maintaining good throttle control.

Edit: there's a problem embedding. just click the vid, it's worth watching if you haven't already seen it.


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