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post #31 of 37 (permalink) Old 11-27-2012, 03:09 AM Thread Starter
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Just to give you an idea of the yahoo's that work in the service department at dealers....

My friend just bought a 2012 Honda crf 450 off the floor. We hung out while they "prepped" it. It's a friggin Dirtbike..30 minutes later the guy comes out and says I'm sorry for the wait but we're having trouble finding the keys..keys!?!?.. Hahaha.
30minutes?? My God!

Yeah, I guess we the serious about our bikes, just need to learn how to work on them for the peace of mind.

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Just to give you an idea of the yahoo's that work in the service department at dealers....

My friend just bought a 2012 Honda crf 450 off the floor. We hung out while they "prepped" it. It's a friggin Dirtbike..30 minutes later the guy comes out and says I'm sorry for the wait but we're having trouble finding the keys..keys!?!?.. Hahaha.
I've had off-road bikes with keys. Usually smaller trail bikes, but regardless. CRF 150 has a key, I remember that for sure.

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The dealer actually told me that full synthetic oil will increase chances of clutch slipping? That's why I didn't get full synthetic. Is this true?

Haha, wow. Maybe he assumes all full synthetics have friction modifiers. Those are a no no but motorcycle specific (wet clutch) oil will not have them.

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I've stayed away from Castrol oils. I heard/read that they don't have a true Ester base and that they aren't true synthetics - not when compared with the real synthetic oils. However, I'm happy to learn otherwise.

I've been using Motul 7100 4T (full Ester synthetic) in my bike for the last five years and really trust it. This past winter (April to September-ish) I used Motul 5100 4T and when I replaced it (done less than 5,000 km) with more 5100, about two weeks ago, I discovered that it did not wear nearly as well as the 7100 4T. So today, after only a couple of hundred kilometres, I took the opportunity to dump it while I installed my new Suter Slipper Clutch. I replaced it with 7100 and won't be going back to 5100.

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I've stayed away from Castrol oils. I heard/read that they don't have a true Ester base and that they aren't true synthetics - not when compared with the real synthetic oils. However, I'm happy to learn otherwise.

I've been using Motul 7100 4T in my bike for the last five years and really trust it. This past winter (April to September-ish) I used Motul 5100 4T and when I replaced it (done less than 5,000 km) with more 5100, about two weeks ago, I discovered that it did not wear nearly as well as the 7100 4T. So today, after only a couple of hundred kilometres, I took the opportunity to dump it while I installed my new Suter Slipper Clutch. I replaced it with 7100 and won't be going back to 5100.
What are the exact differences between the 7100 and the 5100?

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7100 is full-synthetic:
http://www.motul.com/au/en/products/39

5100 is Technosynthese semi-synthetic (mineral base with some synthetic added):
http://www.motul.com/au/en/products/31
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Gotcha, I thought both were fully synthetic. But yeah fully synthetic will always last longer; 12000KM according to the manual. It really depends on how hard you ride your bike so I would reduce that to around 9000KM.

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