After two track days at two different tracks in NZ, I decide to edit a short video to show, just for fun...hope everyone will enjoy it and maybe point out what I can do to improve in my future track days :)
I just started riding track this year (quit riding street, atleast for now) and can't get enough. It's hard to tell from the video, but doesn't seem like you're getting off the bike enough. Also, WTF!! is up with that "control rider" bumping you?!?!? Doesn't seem like an organization I would want to ride with after seeing that, imho.
Anyways, keep at it! I've been sucking a little less each time I get out there, lol! It's sooo addicting!!
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Last edited by VT733; 11-13-2012 at 06:37 AM.
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I went to tally just 2 weekends ago and it was awesome, I needed help on getting off the bike more and some of my lines was off. Thanks to xrated on the forum, he is a awesome instructor. But I loved my first track day and can't wait to do ALOT more. But op yeah him bumping you like that is not good. Did he even say anything to you after that
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I did my first track day September 29th and 30th. I'm addicted too cant wait for warmer weather so I can go again. If I were you I'd take those side mirrors off they seem like a big distraction. Also it looks like the balls of your feel could come off the pegs alittle more they look a little too tucked to the bike
That's what the instructors told me atleast
Looks to me as though he drifted into the CRs line of travel while overtaking the other rider.
One thing I would suggest is to practice just bending your inside elbow, it will allow you to get your head down more. Body position is the type of thing where there is many different rights and wrongs. If your foot is comfortable where it is, done change it. I roll my foot off the edge of the peg as in the picture posted above, but some people dont. But also don't be afraid to try different things.
You definitely seem to need to work on your lines, but it is hard to tell from the video, and I dont know that track.
Getting the line right is the first thing you should worry about, body position second. You can go slow on a fast line, but you cant go fast on a slow line. Also, PREDICTABILITY!!!!!! dont change your line mid corner, if you blow your line, keep on that bad line, someone might be behind you taking advantage of your mistake, so if you try to correct while they are passing you you will get bumped into again, its not that fun when you are going straight, as you learned, it is even less fun when you are leaned over in a corner.
Most imprtant, HAVE FUN!!!! That is what track days are for. If you are not having fun then something is wrong.
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Definitely not a bad start. Like other people said, try working on getting off the seat a little more and get ur elbow bent and try to "bite the mirror". It all comes in time, keep it up! And i like the video, especially the shot from the swing arm, what did you use to mount the gopro on it?
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"Dam you must be fast, cause you were hauling ass when i passed you"
Looks to me as though he drifted into the CRs line of travel while overtaking the other rider.
One thing I would suggest is to practice just bending your inside elbow, it will allow you to get your head down more. Body position is the type of thing where there is many different rights and wrongs. If your foot is comfortable where it is, done change it. I roll my foot off the edge of the peg as in the picture posted above, but some people dont. But also don't be afraid to try different things.
You definitely seem to need to work on your lines, but it is hard to tell from the video, and I dont know that track.
Getting the line right is the first thing you should worry about, body position second. You can go slow on a fast line, but you cant go fast on a slow line. Also, PREDICTABILITY!!!!!! dont change your line mid corner, if you blow your line, keep on that bad line, someone might be behind you taking advantage of your mistake, so if you try to correct while they are passing you you will get bumped into again, its not that fun when you are going straight, as you learned, it is even less fun when you are leaned over in a corner.
Most imprtant, HAVE FUN!!!! That is what track days are for. If you are not having fun then something is wrong.
WTF..? If BP isn't right and you are in over your head on ANY line, you are going to run out of traction! You see it happen on Mulholland all the time.
Work on proper body positioning OP, slow and controlled riding with good BP and speed will come with time.
WTF..? If BP isn't right and you are in over your head on ANY line, you are going to run out of traction! You see it happen on Mulholland all the time.
Work on proper body positioning OP, slow and controlled riding with good BP and speed will come with time.
I am not talking about street riding on Mulholland drive, I am talking about in a controlled environment.
Body position is important, Dont try to discredit what I said. Getting the line down is a lot more important, if someone told him this before he might not have pulled out in front of that control rider like he did. He was unpredictable.
Body position is relative, and it changes along the course of the learning curve. The proper line stays the same.
Speed does not come with good body position. It comes when EVERYTHING is done right. Is being reckless and fast correct? No. That is why its called being reckless.
Anyone who rides on the street or the track that rides in such a manner that a slight body position mistake causes a wreck, they are riding over their head. I ride at about 50% on the street and 85-90% on track. It gives me room to make mistakes.
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I am not talking about street riding on Mulholland drive, I am talking about in a controlled environment.
Body position is important, Dont try to discredit what I said. Getting the line down is a lot more important, if someone told him this before he might not have pulled out in front of that control rider like he did. He was unpredictable.
Body position is relative, and it changes along the course of the learning curve. The proper line stays the same.
Speed does not come with good body position. It comes when EVERYTHING is done right. Is being reckless and fast correct? No. That is why its called being reckless.
Anyone who rides on the street or the track that rides in such a manner that a slight body position mistake causes a wreck, they are riding over their head. I ride at about 50% on the street and 85-90% on track. It gives me room to make mistakes.
I have to say body position and riding line are both important, as a novice track rider, I do need to work on both, no doubt about.
But I would strongly disagree that I drift into CR's riding line, which sounds like I am the one to be blamed. This sounds totally crap to me. In the video, you would clearly see that I am trying to pass the guy (A) on my left and I move to the right trying to keep a safe distance between me and A, so I wouldn't scare him or in case he change his line without any reason (as there is no one in front him). That's me trying to say, I change my riding line with good reasons, and I am not forced to do so because I took the wrong exit line or anything like that. I change my line to keep me and A safe.
Then from another perspective, as a experienced track rider, being a CR. He is expected to predict and detect the situation before he bump into me. I wouldn't try to pass a guy that is trying to pass another guys at the same time. The space is limited, you wait and find another time to pass! This is not a race. Even without me changing my line, He would have been so close to me, leaving no room for error for three of us on the same line. I would say the CR is either having too much fun on his own and forgot what role he should play on the track day. Or being a total arse trying to show off his close passing skills in front of novice riders.
I wouldn't be so pissed if he said something sincerely, without any proper apologies he just kept saying "It is one of those things". To be fair, he did try to use a zip tie to fix the broken lever, and he does not look like a total arse to me in the end.
I don't want to make a big deal about it, motorcycling is dangerous, I expect certain level of risk is involved, you would meet stupid people one day or another, and you would sometime being stupid. But in this particular incident, I am not the one being stupid! and IMHO, my riding line is much better than my bad body position.
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Definitely not a bad start. Like other people said, try working on getting off the seat a little more and get ur elbow bent and try to "bite the mirror". It all comes in time, keep it up! And i like the video, especially the shot from the swing arm, what did you use to mount the gopro on it?
Thanks, the gopro is mounted on a DIY mount, which I stuck it under the mirror base. so I can take of my mirrors off and still use that mount. I use to mount it on the mirrors, which is the easiest way to get that shot angle. but it will come off with the mirror on the track.
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I have to say body position and riding line are both important, as a novice track rider, I do need to work on both, no doubt about.
But I would strongly disagree that I drift into CR's riding line, which sounds like I am the one to be blamed. This sounds totally crap to me. In the video, you would clearly see that I am trying to pass the guy (A) on my left and I move to the right trying to keep a safe distance between me and A, so I wouldn't scare him or in case he change his line without any reason (as there is no one in front him). That's me trying to say, I change my riding line with good reasons, and I am not forced to do so because I took the wrong exit line or anything like that. I change my line to keep me and A safe.
Then from another perspective, as a experienced track rider, being a CR. He is expected to predict and detect the situation before he bump into me. I wouldn't try to pass a guy that is trying to pass another guys at the same time. The space is limited, you wait and find another time to pass! This is not a race. Even without me changing my line, He would have been so close to me, leaving no room for error for three of us on the same line. I would say the CR is either having too much fun on his own and forgot what role he should play on the track day. Or being a total arse trying to show off his close passing skills in front of novice riders.
I wouldn't be so pissed if he said something sincerely, without any proper apologies he just kept saying "It is one of those things". To be fair, he did try to use a zip tie to fix the broken lever, and he does not look like a total arse to me in the end.
I don't want to make a big deal about it, motorcycling is dangerous, I expect certain level of risk is involved, you would meet stupid people one day or another, and you would sometime being stupid. But in this particular incident, I am not the one being stupid! and IMHO, my riding line is much better than my bad body position.
You are absolutely correct, they are both important and I was not blaming you. But you can not blame the CR either, yes he should have been more cautious while passing, especially knowing that you were passing another rider. But you can not predict what another rider is gonna do, especially in the beginner groups. I will watch the video again and give more of my opinion on this.
Like he said, "it is one of those things". And he should have been the one to find you to apologize, ESPECIALLY being a CR. I have made some questionable passes and was sure to find the person and apologize for it.
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Last edited by 1/4milecrazy; 11-20-2012 at 02:35 PM.
Start the video where you are being recorder from your buddies bike. At 2:04 you begin turn in, then at 2:06 you make a mid corner correction and drift out to the left a little bit. That is being unpredictable, and it is also hurting your progress. Then at corner exit you are not using all of the track. Had you been on the outside of the trackm you could have passed that other rider on the outside where his bad line left you plenty of room to make a safe pass. Outside passes are ALWAYS safer than inside passes, not that there was a turn there, but its just a general rule.
Look at that part of the race track it seems to me that the novice group struggles with the correct line through there.
Looking back at the video I would say it is mutual fault. He tried to avoid the impact, but just couldnt because he was carrying a lot more speed than you and had no where else to go. He should have judged your speed better while approaching you, which would tell me he needs to work on getting his vision up.
Please, do not take this as me attacking you or trying to put you down, I am trying to help.
There is no one correct body position for every corner. Every corner is different. There is also differences between each person, what works for me, may not work for you. That is what you need to learn, not what everyone tells you is right.
Look at this picture, Dane Westby(#5) has a noticably different body position than every other rider. But he is just as fast as the other guys in the picture. Then look at Josh Herring (#8). Two totally different approaches at body position, but the guy with the "better" BP is behind the guy that is not "kissing the mirror".
The fastest line around the track is ALWAYS the same. If you ever get involved in racing you will learn there are different lines, defensive lines, passing lines and race lines, those different lines may require different body position. But that is not the case here.
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I am not talking about street riding on Mulholland drive, I am talking about in a controlled environment.
Body position is important, Dont try to discredit what I said. Getting the line down is a lot more important, if someone told him this before he might not have pulled out in front of that control rider like he did. He was unpredictable.
Body position is relative, and it changes along the course of the learning curve. The proper line stays the same.
Speed does not come with good body position. It comes when EVERYTHING is done right. Is being reckless and fast correct? No. That is why its called being reckless.
Anyone who rides on the street or the track that rides in such a manner that a slight body position mistake causes a wreck, they are riding over their head. I ride at about 50% on the street and 85-90% on track. It gives me room to make mistakes.
I don't have to discredit what you've written as you already have.
Speed DOES come with time because your comfort zone changes, though being how you don't teach this stuff, how would you know? You don't go to a school to learn the lines at a track so you can be faster, you go to learn more advanced riding techniques!
I agree OP, the CR knows the course better than you do and was a complete ass if you ask me. The new guys start out in the beginner group, just as someone new to track days does. These guys ARE NOT always the best, most talented riders out there. I hope you reported his ass and told the organizers that you were under the impression that riding on the track was going to be a safer experience that the street, and your CR just proved that theory wrong. That you would've expected a more professional behavior from someone who is suppose to have/display more experience out on the track. It's one thing to be spooked by other beginner riders, quiet the contrary when someone is suppose to be maintaining safety.
I'd be pissed..
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I don't have to discredit what you've written as you already have.
Speed DOES come with time because your comfort zone changes, though being how you don't teach this stuff, how would you know? You don't go to a school to learn the lines at a track so you can be faster, you go to learn more advanced riding techniques!
I agree OP, the CR knows the course better than you do and was a complete ass if you ask me. The new guys start out in the beginner group, just as someone new to track days does. These guys ARE NOT always the best, most talented riders out there. I hope you reported his ass and told the organizers that you were under the impression that riding on the track was going to be a safer experience that the street, and your CR just proved that theory wrong. That you would've expected a more professional behavior from someone who is suppose to have/display more experience out on the track. It's one thing to be spooked by other beginner riders, quiet the contrary when someone is suppose to be maintaining safety.
I'd be pissed..
OK so if my body position is perfect but I cant hold a line to save my life I will be fast?? If I have good body position but my suspension hasnt been tuned, adjusted or maintained for 7 years I can win an AMA race because my body position is perfect?
Are you f*cking serious??
Read my post again.
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Speed does not come with good body position. It comes when EVERYTHING is done right.
I will bow down now because you OBVIOUSLY know everything.
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So you've never heard the term "ride your own ride" before..? Not everyone can run the fast line or feels comfortable doing so. Ya, keep telling me you know what you are talking about..I'm not buying it..lol
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I dont have much experiences on the track, everyone knows something, I have to respect that, and everyone has their own opinions. Right or wrong, maybe I can judge it later after I done lots of track days, even so, I may not come up with the "right" answer for everyone.
However, I do want to thank everyone that has spend their time to watch the video and trying to help here. I always found this forum full of helpful people.
Enough of talking, cant wait next track day, hope I can post another video for you guys to judge, see is any improvement at all.
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I dont have much experiences on the track, everyone knows something, I have to respect that, and everyone has their own opinions. Right or wrong, maybe I can judge it later after I done lots of track days, even so, I may not come up with the "right" answer for everyone.
However, I do want to thank everyone that has spend their time to watch the video and trying to help here. I always found this forum full of helpful people.
Enough of talking, cant wait next track day, hope I can post another video for you guys to judge, see is any improvement at all.
just work on one thing at a time mate, everyone is different. you've got some good info so far but obviously you can't do it all at once. personally I felt much more comfortable in the corners after I sorted my BP, probably because I was carrying less lean angle & felt a bit safer about getting on the throttle earlier etc. things will come together but one step at a time
So you've never heard the term "ride your own ride" before..? Not everyone can run the fast line or feels comfortable doing so. Ya, keep telling me you know what you are talking about..I'm not buying it..lol
I agree with ride your own ride 110%.
But the correct line NEVER changes.
I am not understanding what you are trying to say. Are you saying that the proper line means nothing to someone because they are slow? If you learn the line when you are slow, it becomes second nature when your pace starts to increase.
When I started riding at the track I learned the line at NJMP, now I dont even have to think about it. I might make some changes during a race to set up for a pass or to block someone else from passing, but the fastest way around that racetrack has NEVER changed as long as I have been riding there. The same as body position. The fundamentals need to be put in place in the beginning. All of the aspects of riding must be set forth early on. If you teach someone the correct way around the race track when they are slow, they will not need to be taught later on when they get faster.
You continually try to belittle my ability or discredit my knowledge, but you show nothing to back up your ability to judge me.
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Nice. I'm looking forward to go to the track myself. After watching this video,it just makes me anxious, I want to go now. Lol. Love the video, it's unfortunate n a bit scary the bump b/w both you and other guy, coming outof nowhere. But as long as nobody got hurt its all good. You learn as you go.
