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Old 11-12-2012, 02:20 PM   #1
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With 2012 done and dusted... Tomorrow brings some young blood, new relationships and re acquaintances... eager to see tomorrows times.










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does anyone know if anywhere is streaming this i usually stream races but im not finding anything on the testing
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does anyone know if anywhere is streaming this i usually stream races but im not finding anything on the testing
I'm wathcing a very laggy feed from motogp .com on the homepage. That's all I know.
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I'm excited about Marquez moving up. He has a style that other pros seem to have lost... Like actually taking risks. That's what made moto2 more exciting to watch, although the transition to the GP bikes might affect that.

I'm rooting for Pedrosa next year. He should have champion this year, but there was too much bad luck for him. You can tell he has more skill than Lorenzo.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:38 AM   #13
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I'm rooting for Pedrosa next year. He should have champion this year, but there was too much bad luck for him. You can tell he has more skill than Lorenzo.
He and Lorenzo had almost the same bad luck. Pedrosa made an error at Phillip Island that, essentially, cost him the championship. Of course(as the commentators said at Valencia) this is all ifs and buts, but you get the idea. I think Pedrosa is on the ragged edge, man. I feel like if/when he does get a championship, it will be his last or second to last season in the GP. I think he will have burnt himself out getting it.

Lorenzo, as much as you may dislike the character, is a fantastic racer. Late on the braking, fast on the exits. He even out-drug Dani on a few of the starts this year. 1st and 2nd finishes in every race he finished this year is pretty big. I won't say impressive, because he was only really racing about four other people(Stoner, Pedrosa, Crutchlow and Dovi or Nakasuga... lol). Who else was consistently at the front of the group to challenge them? Wasn't Spies or Hayden. Rossi? Bradl had a few pushes. But all of them were one-off runs for the podium.

I think Lorenzo and Pedrosa are great riders and Dani definitely brought his game up this year. As it stands though, I don't know that either is more skilled than the other but just skilled in different places. Dani chased Jorge down, the final race was indicative of his whole season really. If he hadn't of had that get-off in P.I. it may have been a whole different championship. But that get-off may just be a small window into the pressure Dani was under all season.. /shrug.
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haha Marquez looks like a little kid sitting on a bike at a bike show lol, going to be very interesting next year :)
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Thats because the M1 was better than Honda's RC. Pedrosa, and especially Stoner, are better riders than Lorenzo, but his bike proved to make the difference. All season long, the Repsols were struggling with stability, particularly in the front wheel. Their front wheels were going left/right in the turns, idk how they held it together.
By the 2nd half, Pedrosa made Lorenzo look easy. Stuck with him in the turns, and easily passed him in the straight. Also, that race in Malaysia?, Lorenzo was looking so sad out there...Pedrosa was racing like it was dry, and Stoner was about to catch him if he didnt cry and put his hand up.

Bottom line, out of the three's most impressive moments, Stoner and Pedrosa still performed better. Only they were outlucked by Lorenzo on his better bike...Rossi's bike, that is
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Pedrosa really lost his chance when that stupid penalty forced him to start last. Making his way through half the crowd, someone took him out.
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...tl;dr...
I'm going to assume your trolling with your comments, its hard to take any of it seriously?

"Thats because the M1 was better than Honda's RC"
"Pedrosa, and especially Stoner, are better riders than Lorenzo"
"Their front wheels were going left/right in the turns"
"Lorenzo was looking so sad out there...Pedrosa was racing like it was dry"
"outlucked by Lorenzo on his better bike...Rossi's bike, that is"

Either that your message may be getting lost in translation.
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I'm going to assume your trolling with your comments, its hard to take any of it seriously?

"Thats because the M1 was better than Honda's RC"
"Pedrosa, and especially Stoner, are better riders than Lorenzo"
"Their front wheels were going left/right in the turns"
"Lorenzo was looking so sad out there...Pedrosa was racing like it was dry"
"outlucked by Lorenzo on his better bike...Rossi's bike, that is"

Either that your message may be getting lost in translation.
uhhh ok? If you actually watched any of the any races, you should probably have looked at all the little details in the bikes, as well as listened to the commentators.
The M1(Yamaha's GP bike), performed to perfection...
The Honda RC213V, had problems all year long...
The left/right, is the "wheel chatter" that was commented on MANY times, and if you pay attention, you could see it for yourself. Very unstable front wheel...
2 weeks ago in Malaysia where it poured, Lorenzo was sliding around and almost lost it completely, where Pedrosa(as clearly noted by the commentators) was just cruising by, and could have easily kept going...
Rossi's bike: the Yamaha M1. When Rossi left for Ducati, he left behind one thing, his fine-tuned Yamaha. Only thing Lorenzo had to do was ride it. Yamaha wouldnt be what it is today if it weren't for Rossi...
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Part of the reason I think your trolling or your intentions are being lost in translation is constantly bad description of what the Honda experienced this year. The Hondas experienced 'chatter' not a left right movement of the front wheel mid corner. Chatter is a experienced as a vibration of either the front, rear or both wheels during lean and is described similar to how a jack hammer pumps when holding it. I'm sure you don't believe me so perhaps this will better laminate the subject.



For your reading pleasure I have also attached a link to a paper on chatter; Vehicle System Dynamics: International Journal of Vehicle Mechanics and Mobility

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Rossi's M1 and not Lorenzo's? So doesn't that make Alex Barros responsible for Rossi's first few Yamaha championships as well? How bout this year IF Rossi was to win? Would that make Lorenzo responsible for the win considering he tuned the new 1000cc M1?
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Sin...I know I was doing it but perhaps we shouldn't feed the troll

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I think he's just a blind but faithful Rossi fanatic. Reminds me of the fans in Fastest. Great that he/they have a passion for the sport but their views on things are humorous.
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I'm a huge rossi fan myself, but some people seem to forget that its a team effort, rossi, lorenzo, pedrosa, they all need a good team behind them. the manfacturer designs & develops the bike, not the rider. the rider provides feedback, the designers/engineers take the feedback + data & make required changes to suit the rider.

I've said it elsewhere, a good rider needs good equipment to win, even the best rider in the world won't win on a dud bike. so the its the manufacturer's job to develop a decent bike for the rider to work with.
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How dare you! You get a whipping for this comment but you will love it and you know it.



Any news on the testing? I can't get anything on my work computer....ugh.
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He and Lorenzo had almost the same bad luck. Pedrosa made an error at Phillip Island that, essentially, cost him the championship. Of course(as the commentators said at Valencia) this is all ifs and buts, but you get the idea. I think Pedrosa is on the ragged edge, man. I feel like if/when he does get a championship, it will be his last or second to last season in the GP. I think he will have burnt himself out getting it.

Lorenzo, as much as you may dislike the character, is a fantastic racer. Late on the braking, fast on the exits. He even out-drug Dani on a few of the starts this year. 1st and 2nd finishes in every race he finished this year is pretty big. I won't say impressive, because he was only really racing about four other people(Stoner, Pedrosa, Crutchlow and Dovi or Nakasuga... lol). Who else was consistently at the front of the group to challenge them? Wasn't Spies or Hayden. Rossi? Bradl had a few pushes. But all of them were one-off runs for the podium.

I think Lorenzo and Pedrosa are great riders and Dani definitely brought his game up this year. As it stands though, I don't know that either is more skilled than the other but just skilled in different places. Dani chased Jorge down, the final race was indicative of his whole season really. If he hadn't of had that get-off in P.I. it may have been a whole different championship. But that get-off may just be a small window into the pressure Dani was under all season.. /shrug.
Agreed. At the level the top three are at, trying to say who is a better rider than whom says more about one's biased opinion than any fact. They're all equally competitive and talented and that's why it's one guy's race on any given Sunda depending on setup, injury, health, weather, inherent bike character, etc or any combination of the above. Those guys all have their strong points in relation to each other. Same with the factory Yam/HRC bikes. One carries a significant injury (Pedrosa almost every year save this one) or one bike finds a slight overall advantage for a while like the Honda had in engines last year or the Yamaha this year being more simpatico with the new tires.

I always hate the word "if' in motorsports. It's ok when it's asking about the future like "If Marquez adapts to MotoGP quickly maybe he will be title contender this year". When it's trying to rewrite history one "if" leads to a sea of them. All the same using if judiciously without trying to prove something can sometimes help view something in a different light. Using just one race event "if" between JLo and Pedro last year shows how close that championship really came. It wasn't down to the wire but Dani had some serious momentum. I wouldn't say he should of won because he didn't. Both riders got torpedoed once and both riders crashed out once. The final tally was an 18 point difference. The one "if" I think about was the grid debacle in San Marino. Had Pedro been able to start that race in his grid position and finish in a position reasonable to his ability the season could have ended very different. In just that one race if he would have won, he would have won the championship. Second, he would have won the championship. Third it would have been Jorge's. Again, one "if" breeds many. It's almost pointless but that championship turned out to be much closer than it felt like at any point during season.

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