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Old 11-14-2012, 05:59 AM   #331
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The video does the bike a lot more favors than the website release I've seen thus far.

I'm not turned off from the bike but I'm not particularly turned on. Not in a way that would make me go out and put my 09 on the market so I can have a '13/

What I think is, Honda is playing it smart. If there are riders riding smaller displacement bikes, the 600RR is a likely step up for them. But most current 600RR owners (or 600 class bikes, period) are not going to be blown away with the new bike. But it didn't cost Honda much more than designing some new fairings, and a few updates... Which compared to a whole new design (engine, frame, swingarm, etc), didn't cost them much of anything. Unlike in 07 when a lot more 600RR owners were likely to change up to the new bike. But the market and economy was different then.

In short, most current 600RR owners are not going to be buying this bike. Many non 600RR owners might. And those odds are played by Honda with little cost to them (relatively)
This is probably the best way to sum up the new bike and what people will do.
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2007 was a new bike. 2013 isn't exactly a new bike. (Not saying it's bad. but not apples to apples comparison.)
I disagree. It didn't have anything to do with other enhancements, it was all about the looks. People hated the fact that it didn't look like a Honda anymore and vowed to NEVER get rid of the RR they had.
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I dunno...

I quite like the look of the new one, no complaints there. New and or improved suspension is never a bad thing... so another tick in the box there. And if the power numbers really have improved as they say they have then it's pretty much all good...

It just would have been nice to get a bit more electrikery on it... traction control isn't really necessary given the lower power output, but it certainly wouldn't have hurt, it would have been really really good to be able to switch between multiple maps - economy and fun...

So really, the only thing I find a little disappointing is the lack of development on the ECU side of things. The rest of it is all good...
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I knew that it would start to grow on people. I need to find one that I can ride.
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I don't even see what the fuss is about. It has a silver frame and swing arm and a little less fairing coverage with smaller headlights.

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I wil admit MV Augusta 675 is a lovely
Bike, though editors claim its sharp around the edges, the best bike I hear the praises of is the apparently well polished BMW S1000RR.

God help us if BMW decide to build a middleweight supersport.
I've seen the comparisons of the MV vs. the Triumph and yes the Triumph overall seemed to come out on top. But for me being 5'7" and weighing under 140 Lbs., I felt MUCH more stable sitting on the F3 completely flat footed, vs. the Triumph which reminded me of the first 2005-2006 600RR when I had to tippy toe.
If BMW released a Supersport anytime soon it'll likely be class leading I think, because right now it appears the CBR 1KRR & S1000RR are the top Bikes in their class.
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the HRC and Rep 1000rr look sooo f**kin sick!!!

but I don't know why everyones hatin on the new 600rr. It looks dope!

and I'd never buy and MV simply because there are only a handful of dealerships in Canada and I'm turned off by the way it looks

But Fireblade, if it fits ya good and you got the coin, go for it.
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I disagree. It didn't have anything to do with other enhancements, it was all about the looks. People hated the fact that it didn't look like a Honda anymore and vowed to NEVER get rid of the RR they had.
Okay but then owner reviews and magazine tests helped turn that around. The new bike isn't going to have that effect since it's mostly still the same bike.
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Not sure if this video has been posted by anyone yet but figured I would upload it real quick just to show you what we see as dealers as far as info goes on the 2013 CBR600RR.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2bciexDLKs

According to this review, the odd headlights are suppose to channel air into the airbox creating a Ram Air effect. I don't mind that look as much knowing that info. Function over form is better.
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According to this review, the odd headlights are suppose to channel air into the airbox creating a Ram Air effect. I don't mind that look as much knowing that info. Function over form is better.
I agree.

I don't mind the front of the bike too much. I just wish they gave it a more sharper look.
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I don't think it is bad looking.

Hell, the 675R got a **** ton uglier. At least Honda didn't go that direction.
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I don't even see what the fuss is about. It has a silver frame and swing arm and a little less fairing coverage with smaller headlights.

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I think thats what all the fuss is about, they really did not change anything after a 6 yr same model.
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Maybe they didn't want to compete head on with the 636 on the technical front and might release a technically advanced model next year with the same aesthetics of the 2013 model to have some sort of edge.

Also, for the love of God integrate the damn turn signals.

brmoore: Definitely would love to own any good Japanese 800 sometime in the future or a Triumph; I heard the GSXR750 is barely more powerful than the RR though.
You heard wrong. The 2011 GSXR 750 will absolutely destroy a 600RR even if it has a full exhaust + tuning.

Ive put extensive kms on a 750 and I can assure you anyone who says otherwise has not ridden one.

I don't even like GSXRs so no fanboism going on here.
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lol if you read a bit further back in my message i said all it takes is a full mapped exhaust and it gets nearer...but as said that doesnt include the 11+

maybe I'm tainted as I've ridden the 08+ blade, and that thing picks up a like a mofo and plants the power in, theres something i like about the gsxr750 but I cant put it in words...also something that always makes me buy honda and I think for my money considering I can get a 2011 750 or a 2008+ blade for same price area...i pick the blade...add 2k and your into 2012 blade money as well...if your good at saving, since I see them 2-3k down on showroom prices already
The previous generation 750s made just as much power as the '11. The main advantage is weight savings.
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I have ridden one, as said, and I say otherwise

Edit: you said 2011, i rode the 2010...but I doubt the 2011 came out and now 'destroys' everything all of a sudden, yea sure i'd like to test the 11 but suzuki say no...to anything at or above 600cc to me...as ive said in some other posts, guys owns the honda next door too where I test 1000+, go figure, but anyway I'll see if I can see a gsxr750 at motorcycle live show and ask if I can jump on it for a bit...they'll let me test it there at least, it'll probably be a 2013 but i'll see if its amazing all of a sudden

im not a fan but i can tell you now i'd love a good 750/800cc sportbike seeing as i ride street everyday

im on the suzuki forum, just for browsing, as well as others such as bmw etc i know i rave honda, but its for a reason not because i dont look at anything else, honda does what i ask, in dealerships, in service, in ride/value/handling etc
I agree with you that if Honda made a 750/800 it would be a more quality product than the Suzuki offering.

But your statements of a 600RR being close to a 750 in terms of performance (not quality / intangibles) I cannot agree with.

It has been well documented that the 750s make 125+ whp stock. And the butt dyno from riding my friends bike had me thinking "this would eat my 600rr".

Oh well. Lets agree to disagree.
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Yeah, pretty much the only thing the 600rr beats the 750 gixxer at is not making the rider look like a tool.

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Excellent point, I think the original poster was referring to riding skill, but even that statement about hawk GT may be overstated...

Now i have seen some experienced cafe racers on Triumph Thruxton Bonnevilles at barber that could really put a beating on your newby's riding mordernized supersports. Keep in mind however, these Thruxtons definitely weren't stock and had pricey Ohlin suspension components R compound tires, everything to maximize its performance for a 2001-2012 Triumph Bonneville.
You're right. I was mostly speaking of talent making more of a difference than bike potential when it comes to street and canyon carving. I'm not trying to pull this thread too far off topic or start a debate but the Hawk GT example wasn't hypothetical. It takes a very special Hawk to make that claim but I've been in the company of built 700cc 80hp, CBR front ended with Penske internals and race shocks out back, 300lb street Hawks and sub300lb track bikes. In windy canyon riding or tight tracks without much in the way of long straights they do more than fine against almost anything. I'm talking the same environments where supermotos and 2T 250's rule. The geometry on them are not ideal and there are a few instances where you can wind the frame up but for that weight and power it does just fine. I just came off of owning such a bike. You can't get there cheap though and almost everything is custom fabrication and adaptation of current tech. Mine even had a Durbahn CF monocoque seat/tank combo that was obscenely light and obscenely expensive. At the end when I tallied up everything I put into that bike I could have taken the same money and walked out of a showroom with a brand new Ducati 1198. There are only a few mad souls out there that committed to put so much into such a lowly bike but the Hawk can be polished into almost proddy GP250 shape but with a slightly inferior frame but hella more torque. Another crazy Hawk guy I know runs track days out at Miller that is a much faster track than Louden or other places Hawks do well. He runs those track days on an NC30. The local Ducati dealer tapped him to run their track days. When the customers found out they were being hosed by a more than 20 year old 60hp Honda V4 the dealer told him he couldn't bring it anymore and started furnishing him with Ducatis to ride. He just bought my Hawk to replace the V4 for trackdays. Of course a bike like the 600RR is better in almost every measurable way but back to back I felt my uberHawk was better at anything under 60mph while my bone stock 600RR was better at everything else. Ultimately that's why I left it because the 600RR doesn't really need anything. Put the key in and it's better than 99.99% of the riders on street or track. Talent runs out far quicker than potential on current metal.

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I have ridden one, as said, and I say otherwise

Edit: you said 2011, i rode the 2010...but I doubt the 2011 came out and now 'destroys' everything all of a sudden, yea sure i'd like to test the 11 but suzuki say no...to anything at or above 600cc to me...as ive said in some other posts, guys owns the honda next door too where I test 1000+, go figure, but anyway I'll see if I can see a gsxr750 at motorcycle live show and ask if I can jump on it for a bit...they'll let me test it there at least, it'll probably be a 2013 but i'll see if its amazing all of a sudden

im not a fan but i can tell you now i'd love a good 750/800cc sportbike seeing as i ride street everyday

im on the suzuki forum, just for browsing, as well as others such as bmw etc i know i rave honda, but its for a reason not because i dont look at anything else, honda does what i ask, in dealerships, in service, in ride/value/handling etc

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I don't think it is bad looking.

Hell, the 675R got a **** ton uglier. At least Honda didn't go that direction.
I would never buy either bikes (MV or 675R)
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http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/2013...5r_first_look/

Oh...crap. Info on the new 2013 Triumph Daytona has been realized and sounds like the engine did get a working over. Aside from new suspension and switchable ABS, they say the following.


[BThe engine has more oversquare cylinder dimensions, with bore and stroke now measuring 76.0 x 49.6mm compared with the old model's 74.0 x 52.3mm dimensions. The cylinder block is now separate from the crankcase and has ceramic-coated aluminum bores, which enables the assembly to be stronger and better able to cope with the increased power; previously, individual liners were assembled into the upper crankcase half. Twin injectors per cylinder are now used, and a "slip-assist clutch" reduces lever effort and helps prevent rear wheel hop under braking; . Peak power is claimed to be increased by two horsepower, with the peak now earlier in the rev range at 12,600 rpm, while the rev limit has been raised to 14,400 rpm.

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CAN I SAUCE NOW!

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I call it the Triumph Saucemaster 675...

Whoa, did I hear Cycleworld say it has Titanium valves? I think I did.
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You don't wanna know what happens once Suzuki gets a hold of it ;)

Well... yeah you do... This is before the bike goes into the state of the hood, gangland chromium dipping procedure.


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Hell yea we will, dyno graph courtesy of paul46rider's bike...what do you say to that?


I'm no maths teacher but 124.34 is 0.66 off of 125 by my calculations
did his bike have any internal work done to it?

I'll say it before and I'll say it again. I racked up 6k miles on my last k8 750 and was never ever impressed by the extra 151 cc's compared to my 07 600rr. Next bike will be a newer gen blade. That's where the difference is noticeable.
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