Maybe they didn't want to compete head on with the 636 on the technical front and might release a technically advanced model next year with the same aesthetics of the 2013 model to have some sort of edge.
Also, for the love of God integrate the damn turn signals.
brmoore: Definitely would love to own any good Japanese 800 sometime in the future or a Triumph; I heard the GSXR750 is barely more powerful than the RR though.
You heard wrong. The 2011 GSXR 750 will absolutely destroy a 600RR even if it has a full exhaust + tuning.
Ive put extensive kms on a 750 and I can assure you anyone who says otherwise has not ridden one.
I don't even like GSXRs so no fanboism going on here.
I can assure you anyone who says otherwise has not ridden one.
I have ridden one, as said, and I say otherwise
Edit: you said 2011, i rode the 2010...but I doubt the 2011 came out and now 'destroys' everything all of a sudden, yea sure i'd like to test the 11 but suzuki say no...to anything at or above 600cc to me...as ive said in some other posts, guys owns the honda next door too where I test 1000+, go figure, but anyway I'll see if I can see a gsxr750 at motorcycle live show and ask if I can jump on it for a bit...they'll let me test it there at least, it'll probably be a 2013 but i'll see if its amazing all of a sudden
im not a fan but i can tell you now i'd love a good 750/800cc sportbike seeing as i ride street everyday
im on the suzuki forum, just for browsing, as well as others such as bmw etc i know i rave honda, but its for a reason not because i dont look at anything else, honda does what i ask, in dealerships, in service, in ride/value/handling etc
lol if you read a bit further back in my message i said all it takes is a full mapped exhaust and it gets nearer...but as said that doesnt include the 11+
maybe I'm tainted as I've ridden the 08+ blade, and that thing picks up a like a mofo and plants the power in, theres something i like about the gsxr750 but I cant put it in words...also something that always makes me buy honda and I think for my money considering I can get a 2011 750 or a 2008+ blade for same price area...i pick the blade...add £2k and your into 2012 blade money as well...if your good at saving, since I see them 2-£3k down on showroom prices already
The previous generation 750s made just as much power as the '11. The main advantage is weight savings.
Edit: you said 2011, i rode the 2010...but I doubt the 2011 came out and now 'destroys' everything all of a sudden, yea sure i'd like to test the 11 but suzuki say no...to anything at or above 600cc to me...as ive said in some other posts, guys owns the honda next door too where I test 1000+, go figure, but anyway I'll see if I can see a gsxr750 at motorcycle live show and ask if I can jump on it for a bit...they'll let me test it there at least, it'll probably be a 2013 but i'll see if its amazing all of a sudden
im not a fan but i can tell you now i'd love a good 750/800cc sportbike seeing as i ride street everyday
im on the suzuki forum, just for browsing, as well as others such as bmw etc i know i rave honda, but its for a reason not because i dont look at anything else, honda does what i ask, in dealerships, in service, in ride/value/handling etc
I agree with you that if Honda made a 750/800 it would be a more quality product than the Suzuki offering.
But your statements of a 600RR being close to a 750 in terms of performance (not quality / intangibles) I cannot agree with.
It has been well documented that the 750s make 125+ whp stock. And the butt dyno from riding my friends bike had me thinking "this would eat my 600rr".
Excellent point, I think the original poster was referring to riding skill, but even that statement about hawk GT may be overstated...
Now i have seen some experienced cafe racers on Triumph Thruxton Bonnevilles at barber that could really put a beating on your newby's riding mordernized supersports. Keep in mind however, these Thruxtons definitely weren't stock and had pricey Ohlin suspension components R compound tires, everything to maximize its performance for a 2001-2012 Triumph Bonneville.
You're right. I was mostly speaking of talent making more of a difference than bike potential when it comes to street and canyon carving. I'm not trying to pull this thread too far off topic or start a debate but the Hawk GT example wasn't hypothetical. It takes a very special Hawk to make that claim but I've been in the company of built 700cc 80hp, CBR front ended with Penske internals and race shocks out back, 300lb street Hawks and sub300lb track bikes. In windy canyon riding or tight tracks without much in the way of long straights they do more than fine against almost anything. I'm talking the same environments where supermotos and 2T 250's rule. The geometry on them are not ideal and there are a few instances where you can wind the frame up but for that weight and power it does just fine. I just came off of owning such a bike. You can't get there cheap though and almost everything is custom fabrication and adaptation of current tech. Mine even had a Durbahn CF monocoque seat/tank combo that was obscenely light and obscenely expensive. At the end when I tallied up everything I put into that bike I could have taken the same money and walked out of a showroom with a brand new Ducati 1198. There are only a few mad souls out there that committed to put so much into such a lowly bike but the Hawk can be polished into almost proddy GP250 shape but with a slightly inferior frame but hella more torque. Another crazy Hawk guy I know runs track days out at Miller that is a much faster track than Louden or other places Hawks do well. He runs those track days on an NC30. The local Ducati dealer tapped him to run their track days. When the customers found out they were being hosed by a more than 20 year old 60hp Honda V4 the dealer told him he couldn't bring it anymore and started furnishing him with Ducatis to ride. He just bought my Hawk to replace the V4 for trackdays. Of course a bike like the 600RR is better in almost every measurable way but back to back I felt my uberHawk was better at anything under 60mph while my bone stock 600RR was better at everything else. Ultimately that's why I left it because the 600RR doesn't really need anything. Put the key in and it's better than 99.99% of the riders on street or track. Talent runs out far quicker than potential on current metal.
p.s. This ain't your father's Hawk
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Edit: you said 2011, i rode the 2010...but I doubt the 2011 came out and now 'destroys' everything all of a sudden, yea sure i'd like to test the 11 but suzuki say no...to anything at or above 600cc to me...as ive said in some other posts, guys owns the honda next door too where I test 1000+, go figure, but anyway I'll see if I can see a gsxr750 at motorcycle live show and ask if I can jump on it for a bit...they'll let me test it there at least, it'll probably be a 2013 but i'll see if its amazing all of a sudden
im not a fan but i can tell you now i'd love a good 750/800cc sportbike seeing as i ride street everyday
im on the suzuki forum, just for browsing, as well as others such as bmw etc i know i rave honda, but its for a reason not because i dont look at anything else, honda does what i ask, in dealerships, in service, in ride/value/handling etc
In this link is a list of bikes you can test ride at the NEC mate..
Oh...crap. Info on the new 2013 Triumph Daytona has been realized and sounds like the engine did get a working over. Aside from new suspension and switchable ABS, they say the following.
[BThe engine has more oversquare cylinder dimensions, with bore and stroke now measuring 76.0 x 49.6mm compared with the old model's 74.0 x 52.3mm dimensions. The cylinder block is now separate from the crankcase and has ceramic-coated aluminum bores, which enables the assembly to be stronger and better able to cope with the increased power; previously, individual liners were assembled into the upper crankcase half. Twin injectors per cylinder are now used, and a "slip-assist clutch" reduces lever effort and helps prevent rear wheel hop under braking; . Peak power is claimed to be increased by two horsepower, with the peak now earlier in the rev range at 12,600 rpm, while the rev limit has been raised to 14,400 rpm.
This has to be the most beautiful supersport I have ever laid my eyes on. That fella talking about the MV Augusta may wanna wait and see how this new daytona fairs. Either way, I think it has what it takes to be supersport winner for 2013...
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I agree with you that if Honda made a 750/800 it would be a more quality product than the Suzuki offering.
But your statements of a 600RR being close to a 750 in terms of performance (not quality / intangibles) I cannot agree with.
It has been well documented that the 750s make 125+ whp stock. And the butt dyno from riding my friends bike had me thinking "this would eat my 600rr".
Oh well. Lets agree to disagree.
Hell yea we will, dyno graph courtesy of paul46rider's bike...what do you say to that?
I'm no maths teacher but 124.34 is 0.66 off of 125 by my calculations
Hell yea we will, dyno graph courtesy of paul46rider's bike...what do you say to that?
I'm no maths teacher but 124.34 is 0.66 off of 125 by my calculations
did his bike have any internal work done to it?
I'll say it before and I'll say it again. I racked up 6k miles on my last k8 750 and was never ever impressed by the extra 151 cc's compared to my 07 600rr. Next bike will be a newer gen blade. That's where the difference is noticeable.
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I think he's pointing out the relatively small hp difference between the GSXR750 and the CBR600RR. The CBR with some work done can have almost the same hp as the 750.
There was a debate earlier about whether a rider should sell their CBR600RR for a 750, or just upgrade the CBR. Clearly, an upgraded CBR's hp can rival a stock 750's. Still, with the CBR600RR making about 110hp, going up 15hp to 125hp on the 750 doesn't seem like a very big jump to me.
I started on a 2010 Kawasaki Ninja 250R, which makes around 30hp. Modest, but upgrading to the CBR600RR was quite the difference; an 80hp jump. Is an extra 15hp really that noticeable? I'd love to ride one and find out, but by just looking at the numbers, I can't imagine it's noticeably faster.
But we're getting WAY off topic.
So new forks? How much of an impact will that have on cornering?
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Is an extra 15hp really that noticeable? I'd love to ride one and find out, but by just looking at the numbers, I can't imagine it's noticeably faster.
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did his bike have any internal work done to it?
I'll say it before and I'll say it again. I racked up 6k miles on my last k8 750 and was never ever impressed by the extra 151 cc's compared to my 07 600rr. Next bike will be a newer gen blade. That's where the difference is noticeable.
In bold. That's MY personal opinion on the matter and unbiased too. It's not coming from someone who never had a 750 and is making mindless presumptions about the bike.
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Some pics from the Milan Motorcycle Show (EICMA), which I'll be at tomorrow!
I like: the front end and lights - at least it's new; tail fairing extended forward and covering subframe part under seat instead of a different color; passenger pegs look easier to remove and leave less of an ugly spot; wheels; new forks; ABS option.
Don't like: same old same old for gauges, mirrors, lights, rear sets, etc. (yeah, we replace some of these, but some effort would be nice); silver swingarm and black frame is idiotic; the black plastics at the side of the exhaust look terrible (previous versions weren't great, but better); left side has a huge cover over it, presumably to contain the ABS system - UGLY; patch of black between mid and tank ruins the flow of colors, why not match it or incorporate it into the design better?.
The new Kawi looks to be light years ahead on tech, the Yammie looks better. I think honda's really losing the plot on the design front. Like others, it all depends on the ride and I wouldn't decide on what bike to buy based only on aesthetics, but Honda could do a lot better. I'm one of those people who didn't like the '07 with the exposed engine and minimal fairings, which is why I bought an '09. Still don't like it, but I realize a lot of you do, which is cool - to each their own. I just don't see that Honda's done anything to make this bike very appealing and wouldn't even consider switching my '09 for it. The only reason I sold my '06, which I think is the best design they had for its time (05, 06) was I moved to another country. Let's hope this thing looks better in person.
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Hey that ones got a c.f. front fender! The more I look at this bike the more I like it. I think the front end is sexy 3 days ago I wasn't so sure. Now I love it.
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Hey that ones got a c.f. front fender! The more I look at this bike the more I like it. I think the front end is sexy 3 days ago I wasn't so sure. Now I love it.
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Honda's had OEM carbon parts available for a very long time for the RR - and they cost a fortune. They don't come standard as a rule.
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