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Old 11-15-2012, 11:01 AM   #361
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Hell yea we will, dyno graph courtesy of paul46rider's bike...what do you say to that?


I'm no maths teacher but 124.34 is 0.66 off of 125 by my calculations
You're not very bright are you?

Showing a one off CBR with 120+ whp doesn't prove anything.

Everyone knows they make around 105-110 whp as an average.
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I think he's pointing out the relatively small hp difference between the GSXR750 and the CBR600RR. The CBR with some work done can have almost the same hp as the 750.

There was a debate earlier about whether a rider should sell their CBR600RR for a 750, or just upgrade the CBR. Clearly, an upgraded CBR's hp can rival a stock 750's. Still, with the CBR600RR making about 110hp, going up 15hp to 125hp on the 750 doesn't seem like a very big jump to me.

I started on a 2010 Kawasaki Ninja 250R, which makes around 30hp. Modest, but upgrading to the CBR600RR was quite the difference; an 80hp jump. Is an extra 15hp really that noticeable? I'd love to ride one and find out, but by just looking at the numbers, I can't imagine it's noticeably faster.

But we're getting WAY off topic.

So new forks? How much of an impact will that have on cornering?

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You're not very bright are you?

Showing a one off CBR with 120+ whp doesn't prove anything.

Everyone knows they make around 105-110 whp as an average.
110 HP would be nice! I am in that 108 range.
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^Not sure what that has to do with the 2013 600RR. Good job none the less.
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:06 PM   #365
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Is an extra 15hp really that noticeable? I'd love to ride one and find out, but by just looking at the numbers, I can't imagine it's noticeably faster.
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did his bike have any internal work done to it?

I'll say it before and I'll say it again. I racked up 6k miles on my last k8 750 and was never ever impressed by the extra 151 cc's compared to my 07 600rr. Next bike will be a newer gen blade. That's where the difference is noticeable.
In bold. That's MY personal opinion on the matter and unbiased too. It's not coming from someone who never had a 750 and is making mindless presumptions about the bike.
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Some pics from the Milan Motorcycle Show (EICMA), which I'll be at tomorrow!

I like: the front end and lights - at least it's new; tail fairing extended forward and covering subframe part under seat instead of a different color; passenger pegs look easier to remove and leave less of an ugly spot; wheels; new forks; ABS option.

Don't like: same old same old for gauges, mirrors, lights, rear sets, etc. (yeah, we replace some of these, but some effort would be nice); silver swingarm and black frame is idiotic; the black plastics at the side of the exhaust look terrible (previous versions weren't great, but better); left side has a huge cover over it, presumably to contain the ABS system - UGLY; patch of black between mid and tank ruins the flow of colors, why not match it or incorporate it into the design better?.

The new Kawi looks to be light years ahead on tech, the Yammie looks better. I think honda's really losing the plot on the design front. Like others, it all depends on the ride and I wouldn't decide on what bike to buy based only on aesthetics, but Honda could do a lot better. I'm one of those people who didn't like the '07 with the exposed engine and minimal fairings, which is why I bought an '09. Still don't like it, but I realize a lot of you do, which is cool - to each their own. I just don't see that Honda's done anything to make this bike very appealing and wouldn't even consider switching my '09 for it. The only reason I sold my '06, which I think is the best design they had for its time (05, 06) was I moved to another country. Let's hope this thing looks better in person.















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Hey that ones got a c.f. front fender! The more I look at this bike the more I like it. I think the front end is sexy 3 days ago I wasn't so sure. Now I love it.

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And c.f. exhaust guard

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Honda's had OEM carbon parts available for a very long time for the RR - and they cost a fortune. They don't come standard as a rule.
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Honda's had OEM carbon parts available for a very long time for the RR - and they cost a fortune. They don't come standard as a rule.
I was simply pointing it out. First pictures I saw with the c.f. on it

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I agree that big plastic cover on left side looks terrible, the exhaust covers at the back look really lame, they could have shaped them better to flow with the exhaust. Also I agree that black plastic piece between tank and side pannel looks lame also. I hope the engineer who was in charge of this project is canned immediately, or whoever had the final decision on the final design. Terrible, just really terrible, horrible designing.
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Really? have you looked carefully at it? the 2007-2012 look way better. IMO. I could live with the front end of the bike, thats not the bad part. The bad part is the rest of the stuff that make the bike look incomplete. I wll see it tomorrow at the IMS show in San Mateo, Calif. But I already know I will not be impressed. Exspecially since I already have a nice black 2007 for street, and a FX spec 2008 for race in my garage. I was waiting bad for the 2013 but this was a true let down by Honda.
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Really? have you looked carefully at it? the 2007-2012 look way better. IMO. I could live with the front end of the bike, thats not the bad part. The bad part is the rest of the stuff that make the bike look incomplete. I wll see it tomorrow at the IMS show in San Mateo, Calif. But I already know I will not be impressed. Exspecially since I already have a nice black 2007 for street, and a FX spec 2008 for race in my garage. I was waiting bad for the 2013 but this was a true let down by Honda.
Give it time. I wouldn't trade my 09 for one (maybe because i've invested alot of money into it), but the looks are growing on me for sure!
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Give it time. I wouldn't trade my 09 for one (maybe because i've invested alot of money into it), but the looks are growing on me for sure!
When I first saw the 07+ general body style, I loved it. The new look is growing on me too but IMO looks shouldn't have to grow on you, I prefer love at first sight, like when I bought my 08 :)
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Really? have you looked carefully at it? the 2007-2012 look way better.
Yes, yes and no it doesn't. Not to everyone. I really like the new one.
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This is what I think the lines/colors should've looked like with this paint scheme, after a very quick edit. I still think the part dangling down under the seat needs a change because the red triangular shape dropping down below the line of the wing is stupid, but something like this with a black swingarm:

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When I first saw the 07+ general body style, I loved it. The new look is growing on me too but IMO looks shouldn't have to grow on you, I prefer love at first sight, like when I bought my 08 :)
Its not whats on the outside, its whats on the inside

My 09 green, wasn't my favourite and it didnt really attract me, however i got a a great deal on it new so went for it. But now, to me its the best colour scheme and i wouldnt swap it for any other... so i learnt to love it
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Some pics from the Milan Motorcycle Show (EICMA), which I'll be at tomorrow!

I like: the front end and lights - at least it's new; tail fairing extended forward and covering subframe part under seat instead of a different color; passenger pegs look easier to remove and leave less of an ugly spot; wheels; new forks; ABS option.

Don't like: same old same old for gauges, mirrors, lights, rear sets, etc. (yeah, we replace some of these, but some effort would be nice); silver swingarm and black frame is idiotic; the black plastics at the side of the exhaust look terrible (previous versions weren't great, but better); left side has a huge cover over it, presumably to contain the ABS system - UGLY; patch of black between mid and tank ruins the flow of colors, why not match it or incorporate it into the design better?.

The new Kawi looks to be light years ahead on tech, the Yammie looks better. I think honda's really losing the plot on the design front. Like others, it all depends on the ride and I wouldn't decide on what bike to buy based only on aesthetics, but Honda could do a lot better. I'm one of those people who didn't like the '07 with the exposed engine and minimal fairings, which is why I bought an '09. Still don't like it, but I realize a lot of you do, which is cool - to each their own. I just don't see that Honda's done anything to make this bike very appealing and wouldn't even consider switching my '09 for it. The only reason I sold my '06, which I think is the best design they had for its time (05, 06) was I moved to another country. Let's hope this thing looks better in person.
















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This is what I think the lines/colors should've looked like with this paint scheme, after a very quick edit. I still think the part dangling down under the seat needs a change because the red triangular shape dropping down below the line of the wing is stupid, but something like this with a black swingarm:

Yes this looks much better, as you stated the part dangling under the seat could have lost some plastic and cleaned up some. Give it the 5.0 H.P that it needs to go ahead of the other 600's and I wouldn't mind picking one up. But the way it sits from Honda, nope not going to get one.
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The new 600rr looks dope.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:42 PM   #383
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I think he's pointing out the relatively small hp difference between the GSXR750 and the CBR600RR. The CBR with some work done can have almost the same hp as the 750.

There was a debate earlier about whether a rider should sell their CBR600RR for a 750, or just upgrade the CBR. Clearly, an upgraded CBR's hp can rival a stock 750's. Still, with the CBR600RR making about 110hp, going up 15hp to 125hp on the 750 doesn't seem like a very big jump to me.

I started on a 2010 Kawasaki Ninja 250R, which makes around 30hp. Modest, but upgrading to the CBR600RR was quite the difference; an 80hp jump. Is an extra 15hp really that noticeable? I'd love to ride one and find out, but by just looking at the numbers, I can't imagine it's noticeably faster.

But we're getting WAY off topic.

So new forks? How much of an impact will that have on cornering?
What do you think a modded 750 will do? And yes you will notice 15 hp.

I may be coming off as a 750 fanboy here but I actually dislike them. Not a fan of the seating position and most certainly not a fan of the styling. However facts cannot be ignored.

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108 is a great number for a lightweight like the CBR.
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Looks a lot better in those pictures.
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All the Showa BPF have those caps. New Fireblade, ZX-10R and whatever other bikes have them. Something to do with the valving set up on them is how they get theor look.
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Yes this looks much better,
I like it better as well. Granted it has all the accessories Honda offers. The tail was begging for that solo cowl. The passenger seat looked funky on it before.

What I really want to see is a track version of it. I can completely forget how I don't care for the S1000RR headlights when I see it dressed for the track. The new front end might look good in track mode as well.

One other thing I was thinking about, if the frame is relatively the same, you might run into an issue trying to put frame sliders on the bike. It looks like it would be close to the rear most bolt hole. Have to see the bike in person to know for sure but it looks awefully close.
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I saw and sat on the new RR today at the Milan show. I haven't read the specs, but I'm pretty sure the ergos are exactly the same as the preceding model. It's more or less as it seems in the pics I linked to earlier - I have more and will put them up when I find the time later. The front end actually looks a little better than I thought. I'd say this is the one improvement in addition to the wheels and BPF, though I'm not sure how much I'd notice that. The lines aren't great, the exhaust plastic covers look bad and the lines don't flow all that well, especially with that plastic bit between the tank and the side fairings. The cover on the left side for the ABS version is ridiculous. It's fine, but I don't really think that's good enough considering the competition unless reviews prove Honda's tweeks to the suspension have made it a lot better.

However, the new Kawi ZX-6R is awesome! It felt really compact so I'm not sure it'll be the best for bigger guys, but it felt good for my 5'3" frame. I think that bike is going to slaughter all the other Japanese bikes with the new style and upgrades/extras it's got. The only thing I don't like about it is the integrated front lights on the frame - not sure why they didn't put them in the mirrors. It has a really nice finish. If I were buying a new bike this year in the mid-size sport category, it would be the ZX-6R without hesitation based on specs and looks, but of course I'd wait for reviews just in case.

The Triumph Daytona 675 and 675R are a LOT better in person than in the pics I've seen. As usual, it's very narrow. I think it's lower because I can touch the ground a lot easier now than before on it so I'm not sure if it has new ergos or what. I felt really stretched out on it last year when I sat on the 2012 model. The bike looks a little long with the stretched out nose, but the new fairings look decent in person. I think I prefer the previous version, but the new one's pretty good and the exhaust isn't as bad as it looked in some pics.

Here's 1 pic from today...

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2 more shots of the Repsol color scheme. Will try to get a few more pics up, but much later. Going for a ride tomorrow and I didn't get many decent pics this year anyway.



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Ok just got back from the IMS show in San Mateo, first I will say the show was really lame. Many Manufactures where not even present, KTM, Aprilla, no new Triumph 675R. Suzuki had 1 motocross bike, and not even their new 1 millonth or whatever it is GSXR1000. So back to the 600RR. Bike dosent look bad in person, they only had the Repsol bike and I am not a big fan of that anyway. But that big black plastic piece that the one photo is showing on the left side, does not come on the bike, thank god. But basically it is what I have been saying the last few days, it basically looks the same, with no really improvements over the older model. I actually enjoyed checking out the new CBR500R more, and I only wished they made that bike in a 750cc. My gut feeling is Honda is not going to sell many new 600RR's.
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