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Old 11-17-2012, 06:55 PM   #1
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Myth: Warming Sportbike tires (Video)



Had some free time. Made a quickie on the myths and legends of warming sport bike tires.

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Great video! Im one of the "fools" who use to do this!
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No problem thanks for the suppor fellas.

Just trying to track through all these myths floating around and get the word out.
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Great info. A new rider recently asked me why I swerve an I said to warm my tires smh.Monkey see monkey do.


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No problem thanks for the suppor fellas.

Just trying to track through all these myths floating around and get the word out.
To be fair the fact that street tires need to e warmed at all is a bit of a myth in it self


HUGE difference between a street tire and a pro race tire


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Not exactly.. There is actually a difference in grip from a cold and warm street tire. I've learned that first hand and almost lost my bike a few times trusting and getting a little bit of learn or rolling on the throttle a little more aggressivly on a cold tire and can definitely tell a difference in grip and performance between the two.

But I do agree there is a difference in a track and street tire and the need to get them up to full temperature. But it's always good to have a warm tire street or track.
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Not exactly.. There is actually a difference in grip from a cold and warm street tire. I've learned that first hand and almost lost my bike a few times trusting and getting a little bit of learn or rolling on the throttle a little more aggressivly on a cold tire and can definitely tell a difference in grip and performance between the two.

But I do agree there is a difference in a track and street tire and the need to get them up to full temperature. But it's always good to have a warm tire street or track.
You were doing a fair bit more than rolling if you lose traction on street tires

I am betting you experienced moisture on road lines or something to that effect

In 10 years of riding I have never accidentally had a tire slip from a "cold" tire

Dumped clutch, wet road paint (condensation), and man hole covers, sure

I really wish the means to test stickyness was readily available to people so I could squish the cold street tires argument


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You were doing a fair bit more than rolling if you lose traction on street tires

I am betting you experienced moisture on road lines or something to that effect

In 10 years of riding I have never accidentally had a tire slip from a "cold" tire

Dumped clutch, wet road paint (condensation), and man hole covers, sure

I really wish the means to test stickyness was readily available to people so I could squish the cold street tires argument


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I have a feeling what you consider, and what I consider a cold tire differs a bit.
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I have a feeling what you consider, and what I consider a cold tire differs a bit.
by cold tires, i mean tires that have been sitting out side in air as cold as 20 degrees, over night, and have 0 ride time on them


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street tires are DESiNGED with these conditions in mind
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My question is have you ever stopped to think people do it, not to warm up tires, though to get crap off of them..?

I say this because this is what I do after I wash my bike, ride over some unavoidable liquid (oil, antifreeze or car soap w/wax), sand or gravel, leaves or tar.

I'm not saying do as I do, though this is why I do what I do..lol So before you go assuming I am attempting to WARM up my tires, think again.

I've been doing this awhile..
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My question is have you ever stopped to think people do it, not to warm up tires, though to get crap off of them..?

I say this because this is what I do after I wash my bike, ride over some unavoidable liquid (oil, antifreeze or car soap w/wax), sand or gravel, leaves or tar.

I'm not saying do as I do, though this is why I do what I do..lol So before you go assuming I am attempting to WARM up my tires, think again.

I've been doing this awhile..
shut you hole! you sound like some nancy who thinks he knows ever thing because he was a test rider ...

wait ... **** you were .. lol
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shut you hole! you sound like some nancy who thinks he knows ever thing because he was a test rider ...

wait ... **** you were .. lol
lol..

*By the way John, my response wasn't directed towards you, though after rereading my reply after yours, I could see how it may have been taken that way..lol Sorry buddy.
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My question is have you ever stopped to think people do it, not to warm up tires, though to get crap off of them..?

I say this because this is what I do after I wash my bike, ride over some unavoidable liquid (oil, antifreeze or car soap w/wax), sand or gravel, leaves or tar.

I'm not saying do as I do, though this is why I do what I do..lol So before you go assuming I am attempting to WARM up my tires, think again.

I've been doing this awhile..
I'm not sure swirving would help much in that aspect either.. If you role over oil or debris that could cause you to lose traction if (assuming being on the mid tread pattern bein on the side would be pretty difficult to still be up) rolling into the sides of the tire would do much to scrape that off now being off the contact patch.. And if its on the side of your tire going to that part of the tire with oil doesn't sound like the greatest idea due to the risk of losing grip going to that part of the tire..

But I'll look more into that. And majority of the time I see or hear people talk about swirving is usually always related to heating tires.. That's who I'm trying to speak to.. And if it helps you sleep at nfht to do it by all means to for it my point was its not going to do much on heating the tires


No need to take it personal. But like I said if you can show me some testing or somehing to show there is something wrong or misinformed in my video please PM it to me and I'll look into it and make a correction or edit to not spread misinformation.
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You want statistics? lol..umm, ok..think Mold Release Agent. Remember, that was the whole reason for scrubbing in tires before? What do you think the word scrubbing means, with sand paper?

So if you needed to get that crap off your tires before, why would you assume it would be different with any other debris?

I am not offended, I am merely pointing out how new riders and assumptions of why people do what they do often lack the understanding/experience as to why things are done.
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You want statistics? lol..umm, ok..think Mold Release Agent. Remember, that was the whole reason for scrubbing in tires before? What do you think the word scrubbing means, with sand paper?

So if you needed to get that crap off your tires before, why would you assume it would be different with any other debris?

I am not offended, I am merely pointing out how new riders and assumptions of why people do what they do often lack the understanding/experience as to why things are done.
The reason I'm thinking your taking this a little personal is because your missing the point this whole video was aimed at swerving to warm the tires is a myth. And that if you rewatch the video you can see I actually support and mention the main purpose for swerving is to remove debris from the tire and not to warm tires which is a common misconception and where people are misled in using the swerve method when riding a sport bike.

Which is why I'm thrown off on how and why your going off on me being against debris. And you may have more experience than I do on a sport bike but warming your tires by swerving does not work as well as most believe and to actually flex the tire is actually where most of the heat is generated in a tire. I just don't support recommending people to swerve with an oil slicked tire because I have ridden through anti freeze and engine oil when my buddy blew his engine on the high way and it was not a pleasant experience after riding through his oil track and riding 10 miles after that still had oil residue on the tire and my bike. It took a couple washed and scrubs of the tire to remove the chemicals out of the rubber.

But I think I'll just have to agree to disagree with you.
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In the video, you mention seeing other riders doing this, as well as others who have posted in this thread. I see it as well and agree, that most people do it for the wrong reasons.

However, if and when you have slippage or debris on your tires and you are leaned over in a corner, you maintain a steady throttle and ride it out. It takes A LOT OF SELF CONTROL to maintain the course of action. Most people tense up, back off on the throttle creating extra load on tires that are already lacking traction, and end up low/or high siding as a result. Hell, even Kieth Code mentions it and I disagree with a lot of what he has to say..lol He shows a demo of it in his Twist the Throttle 2 video on a bike with outriggers.

I have lost traction many times for various reasons in my riding career. Doing perfect demos for students in wet conditions in a parking lot where you have oil, antifreeze, gravel, sand and you do exactly what I mentioned while in a corner.

If you are in a straight line after running over crap on accident, you don't swerve quickly. That would obviously be stupid. Though you can swerve in your lane aggressively, though smoothly, and be fine. What the hell do you think you do when you are on a freeway, wait till you find a long sweeper or overpass? No, you try to clean that crap off asap.

So I say, before you go assuming a rider is doing exaggerated swerves to warm up their tires, you might be wrong about it as there are other reasons to do it..one of them not being to warm your tires up.
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The reason I'm thinking your taking this a little personal is because your missing the point this whole video was aimed at swerving to warm the tires is a myth. And that if you rewatch the video you can see I actually support and mention the main purpose for swerving is to remove debris from the tire and not to warm tires which is a common misconception and where people are misled in using the swerve method when riding a sport bike.

Which is why I'm thrown off on how and why your going off on me being against debris. And you may have more experience than I do on a sport bike but warming your tires by swerving does not work as well as most believe and to actually flex the tire is actually where most of the heat is generated in a tire. I just don't support recommending people to swerve with an oil slicked tire because I have ridden through anti freeze and engine oil when my buddy blew his engine on the high way and it was not a pleasant experience after riding through his oil track and riding 10 miles after that still had oil residue on the tire and my bike. It took a couple washed and scrubs of the tire to remove the chemicals out of the rubber.

But I think I'll just have to agree to disagree with you.
I remember this. You were blaming cold tires, improper suspensions settings, over inflated tires and some other sh*t as to why you felt the bike behaving unstable.

You lack time in the saddle and confidence. You do whatever it is you believe is right, I am telling you why things are done.

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Ok in that case we agree to agree.. And yes I have experienced hitting anti freeze mid turn before hooking a left first turn on the way home from work one night... Weird but exhilarating experience.. Kept on the throttle mostly due to not know long wtf was wrong let it role out and bike kicked back up and rode off.. Definitely got the adrenaline going a bit.
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I remember this. You were blaming cold tires, improper suspensions settings, over inflated tires and some other sh*t as to why you felt the bike behaving unstable.

You lack time in the saddle and confidence. You do whatever it is you believe is right, I am telling you why things are done.

Yea I remember that thread and that's the experience mentioned above. You guys referred me to TOTW and now I know to just ride it out and that I got lucky I kept on it and didn't realize what was going on to freak out about it.

But now at least I know better.
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Ok in that case we agree to agree.. And yes I have experienced hitting anti freeze mid turn before hooking a left first turn on the way home from work one night... Weird but exhilarating experience.. Kept on the throttle mostly due to not know long wtf was wrong let it role out and bike kicked back up and rode off.. Definitely got the adrenaline going a bit.
Oh, I'm not saying it doesn't make my butt pucker when it happens..lol It does. I am also not saying you won't be able to develop the ability either, it just takes time and experience. We all have to start out somewhere, which is why I am an advocate of practicing techniques and fundamentals on the street as well as on the track. On the track, everyone knows what's going on and what could potentially happen (i.e. low/high sides, etc.). On the street, you have people who have no idea what the hell you are doing whether they are paying attention to you or not, mostly not.

Fundamentals should ALWAYS be worked on, while the more advanced stuff is fun to do, just not as vital. Advanced riding techniques however give you a taste of a bikes capabilities and abilities as a rider you never thought you could do. Probably the most rewarding part of teaching is seeing someone get that "ah-hah" moment or cherry poppin' moment.

I apologize if you took what I was saying wrong. I just have a direct/brutally honest personality. I would never suggest doing something that I don't do myself. If we ever have the pleasure, you will learn that about me as others at this forum have.
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Yea I'm pretty stubborn my self I get it from my mother that women can argue till her face turns blue wrong or not and shell still win haha


But if I'm ever up in AZ I've head you guys have some good tracks out there if I ever make a trip maybe you can teach a young buck a thing or 2 with my track riding. Might be stubborn but am always open to learn and progress.
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Old 11-22-2012, 01:07 AM   #28
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Yeah who would ever race with em
I find them a lot less forgiving and user friendly as the power or q2s.

But like I stated in the video I know some guys than can run them just as good as any other tire. I don't like them but I do have to hand it to them they do last a hell of a long time compaired to every ther tire I've used. I still have the original set from the dealership that show a ton of tread.
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I thought this video was more entertaining. Glad you didn't too beat up.
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Yup not my proudest moment/video but I figured I'd post it anyways and hopefully someone learn from my mistakes.. I post the good bad and the ugly..

Had a stupid moment got a little cocky some buddies got me trying clutch ups and well they got the best of me haha
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