How do you recover from a slide in a turn? Almost low sided. : Honda CBR 600RR Sportbike Forum : 600RR.Net

» Insurance
» Sponsors
» Honda 600RR Prices
Go Back   600RR.net > Track Talk > Riding tips

Riding tips A good place to gain &, share knowledge , information and tips about safe enjoyable riding .

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 11-20-2012, 08:21 AM   #1
Eurodriver
AMA Supersport Racer
 
Eurodriver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 953
Thanks: 63
Thanked 138 Times in 95 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
How do you recover from a slide in a turn? Almost low sided.

Yesterday I was making a left turn in an intersection when a cager decided he was going to make a right turn into my lane. To get out of his way I had to accelerate while I was in the turn.

It happened so fast I couldn't tell you lean angle or speed, but I was in second gear and definitely wasn't dragging the pegs or anything.

But when I gave it gas I felt the rear tire break free and start to spin (like drifting in a car). I don't know what I did to correct it but eventually I did, it wiggled pretty bad and I was on my way. I think I slowly reduced throttle and kept the front wheel pointing forward. I know I didn't turn the wheel at all.

It got me thinking, what I did may have worked but I'm not sure if its ideal. What are you supposed to do if the rear comes loose in a turn to avoid low siding? Or at the very least avoid high siding.
Eurodriver is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 11-20-2012, 09:16 AM   #2
DC03RR
Training Wheel Hero
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 5
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Don't chop the throttle in that situation most likely it will cause a high side
DC03RR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2012, 10:22 AM   #3
buechelr
AMA Supersport Racer
 
buechelr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Rapid City, SD
Posts: 991
Thanks: 7
Thanked 31 Times in 22 Posts
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
honestly its going to come down to how much seat time you have to react appropriately and a lot of luck. In that moment you dont have time to think, your body just has to know what to do. I have saved a couple low sides by reverting to my old dirt bike habits and being comfortable with the back end coming out but in no way was it intentional. The biggest thing is to be smooth though. Smooth inputs with steering, throttle and brakes are your friend.
buechelr is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to buechelr For This Useful Post:
Rayzorman1 (11-21-2012)
Old 11-20-2012, 10:43 AM
brmoore
This message has been deleted by Moeman. Reason: Spam and/or unwanted content
Old 11-20-2012, 10:44 AM   #4
CBR Knight
AMA Supersport Racer
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Dayton, Ohio
Posts: 574
Thanks: 32
Thanked 33 Times in 32 Posts
Feedback Score: 3 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by DC03RR View Post
Don't chop the throttle in that situation most likely it will cause a high side
What do you mean by don't chop the throttle?
CBR Knight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2012, 10:56 AM
brmoore
This message has been deleted by Moeman. Reason: Spam and/or unwanted content
Old 11-20-2012, 11:03 AM   #5
swan-rr5
AMA Supersport Racer
 
swan-rr5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Scotland
Posts: 1,392
Thanks: 150
Thanked 307 Times in 253 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
hate to break it to you but you probably did nothing.

read this

http://www.msgroup.org/Tip.aspx?Num=101
swan-rr5 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to swan-rr5 For This Useful Post:
iGraywolf (01-24-2013), PhotoAl (05-13-2013), Rayzorman1 (11-21-2012), TGR-MAVERICK (11-20-2012)
Old 11-20-2012, 11:20 AM   #6
Armonster
Pocketbike Racer
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 342
Thanks: 14
Thanked 29 Times in 23 Posts
Feedback Score: 3 reviews
Good read ^^


Sent from my iPhone using Motorcycle.com Free App
Armonster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2012, 11:44 AM   #7
TheX
Moto GP Racer
 
TheX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Austin Texas
Posts: 12,413
Images: 2
Thanks: 125
Thanked 1,988 Times in 1,333 Posts
Feedback Score: 5 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by buechelr View Post
honestly its going to come down to how much seat time you have to react appropriately and a lot of luck. In that moment you dont have time to think, your body just has to know what to do. I have saved a couple low sides by reverting to my old dirt bike habits and being comfortable with the back end coming out but in no way was it intentional. The biggest thing is to be smooth though. Smooth inputs with steering, throttle and brakes are your friend.
^ This!

If you have to ask the question, you won't have the experience needed to recover. It has to be a reaction, not a decision.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheX
Dogs > People
TheX is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to TheX For This Useful Post:
clilholt (01-24-2013), Rayzorman1 (11-21-2012)
Old 11-20-2012, 12:12 PM   #8
tary preisser
Moto GP Racer
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: shithole o' Nor Cal
Posts: 2,753
Thanks: 358
Thanked 222 Times in 209 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
I agree w/ the X and Buechler....

its an instant reaction to the rear stepping out.......takes some time to learn..

throttle steady (or still opening),rear wheel steps,turn front into slide.....maintain throttle and wait/feel for rear hookup again....watch for going on a wider line than you want...(i used to hit the berm at this point and go sailing.....)

idea is to keep front wheel tracking/holding traction, and rear under control, until rear traction is regained.

learned on dirtbikes as a kid....
tary preisser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2012, 12:15 PM   #9
IPMAN
AMA Supersport Racer
 
IPMAN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Austin Tx
Posts: 715
Thanks: 15
Thanked 43 Times in 31 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Randy is correct

You must have muscle memory to be prepared

Survival Instinct will kill you

Get into the Twist of the Wrist books and videos then start practicing :)
__________________
2009 CBR600RR - GREEN/BLACK Street
2007 CBR600RR - RED/WHITE/BLUE Track


Riding Prayer - Thank you God for the privilege of riding, please watch over us riders and bring us home to our families every day. Give me strength to obey the laws, and stay vigilant and focused.
IPMAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2012, 12:27 PM   #10
fast316
Pocketbike Racer
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 347
Thanks: 7
Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts
Feedback Score: 10 reviews
Time to hit up a track day and learn how to ride.
fast316 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2012, 12:42 PM   #11
CK_32
Moto GP Racer
 
CK_32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 3,915
Thanks: 100
Thanked 307 Times in 250 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
I had this happen like 6 months ago after work but mine was just too deep in a turn and either cold tires or I hit a slip spot I think it was anti freeze going back the next day seeing a green/black stain..

Anyways just just hold on the throttle don't punch it or let to..

Punching it will wash you out letting to with like above said throw you over the top and end up being worse.. Luckily it surprised me and I didn't know what was goin on and actually enjoyed it and held into the throttle and rode it out and was stoked..

Then 2 mon later realized what I just did and then the panic set in on thinking I could have lost my bike. Big truck in the out side turn I probably would have gone right under him.. But I learned after that I just happened to do the right thing and roll it out..

I now don't lean as hard with cold tires or on corners I don't need much lean at all due to no reason risking it. Also on the Bridgestone tires I'm not a fan of..
__________________

My YouTube channel.


Support your troops, Not your government.
CK_32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2012, 03:00 AM   #12
jirish617
AMA Supersport Racer
 
jirish617's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Chicago South Suburbs
Posts: 827
Thanks: 40
Thanked 63 Times in 56 Posts
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
that link confirmed, easing into more throttle(accelerating) helps settle the slide, hmm....always thought so
__________________
"i dont have the confidence to borrow a bike, nor do i believe it is ethical.
its like screwing your brother's wife when yours has her period.........." courtesy of clx

'03 600rr
Tripage IT
Tripage LED Pass. Pegs
Puig Double Bubble
Yoshi RS5(carbon)
Genuine Honda Solo Cowl
Proton Flushmounts
Go Cruise Throttle Control

WTB '03-'05 BLACK rear cowl
WTB '03-'05 right-side rearset
WTB '03-'05 OEM Bar End
jirish617 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2013, 07:03 PM   #13
Ldn
World Superbike Racer
 
Ldn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Murrieta, CA
Posts: 1,928
Thanks: 21
Thanked 264 Times in 222 Posts
Feedback Score: 4 reviews
How do you recover from a slide in a turn? Almost low sided.

It might be worth taking a dirt bike riding class. Some if the techniques you'll learn will save your life in the event that you ever lose traction like that again.

Turning into the skid, applying gentle throttle and pressing down on your outside peg (posture) are some techniques that could assist in regaining control, depending on your situation.

Pulling in your clutch, decelerating and touching your front brakes are some ways to go down.

Learning to understand your suspension and tires and how they react in turns will help you understand these techniques. Most of these are taught in BRC ARC and pretty much any riders course.

SLPR


Sent from Motorcycle.com Free App
__________________
2008 CBR 600rr Race Bike

Fox Motorsports Racing
http://obmoto.com
Special thanks to my sponsors Fox Motorsports Racing, ReplayXD, Sunstar Sprockets and Chains, RaceTech Corona, AMSOIL and Braking.
Ldn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2013, 07:17 PM   #14
Metalgearmurder
AMA Supersport Racer
 
Metalgearmurder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 750
Thanks: 52
Thanked 60 Times in 53 Posts
Feedback Score: 3 reviews
Re: How do you recover from a slide in a turn? Almost low sided.

When in doubt throttle out.. Nuff said
__________________
Son of Liberty

Patriot till the end
Metalgearmurder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2013, 03:54 PM   #15
misti hurst
Training Wheel Hero
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 89
Thanks: 3
Thanked 32 Times in 19 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by brmoore View Post
I've had this happen a few times if you think about it, your rear wheel is spinning to fast so you gotta use rear brake, another way to stop it trying to spin off is open the clutch so i do that first(seconds) and feather the rear brake, gain traction again and power out, but i keep the throttle constant, its not something you use to slow so never give more throttle in this situation

also, turn into your skid, my worst one was brand new tyres in torrential rain pitch black night accelerating out a roundabout...JUST picked up my leathers that day, thought i was about to use them as well same day...haha

well...works for me anyways but I've only been riding everyday for 5yrs so i'm no expert, i know some ride for like 30yrs maybe they will chip in
Ummm, don't do this ^^^

If you get a rear wheel slide then the worst thing you can do is to suddenly chop the throttle (meaning a quick roll off the gas) as this can cause the bike to suddenly regain traction and flick you off (highside). You definitely don't want to use the rear brake as this can lock the rear wheel and continue the tire slide and you don't want to add more throttle as you would keep the tire spinning.

Here is a link to an article I wrote on Highsides for Motorcycle Mojo magazine which talks a little bit about slides and what you can do if you experience them. I hope it helps!

http://www.mistihurst.com/files/J_F_07.pdf

Misti
misti hurst is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2013, 05:24 PM   #16
redrr308
AMA Supersport Racer
 
redrr308's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: washington mo
Posts: 541
Images: 4
Thanks: 6
Thanked 52 Times in 45 Posts
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
On the couch with an xbox contoller and a case of mt dew
redrr308 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2013, 06:34 PM   #17
Hotbrakes
Training Wheel Hero
 
Hotbrakes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 66
Thanks: 3
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Stop accelerating. Don't slow down, don't brake, don't "gas out". Rotate the throttle forward just a hair, the bike does the rest.
__________________
RESPONSIBLY IRRESPONSIBLE
Hotbrakes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2013, 06:54 PM   #18
Ldn
World Superbike Racer
 
Ldn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Murrieta, CA
Posts: 1,928
Thanks: 21
Thanked 264 Times in 222 Posts
Feedback Score: 4 reviews
How do you recover from a slide in a turn? Almost low sided.

LEAN HARDER AND POWER THROUGH


Sent from Motorcycle.com Free App
__________________
2008 CBR 600rr Race Bike

Fox Motorsports Racing
http://obmoto.com
Special thanks to my sponsors Fox Motorsports Racing, ReplayXD, Sunstar Sprockets and Chains, RaceTech Corona, AMSOIL and Braking.
Ldn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2013, 07:11 PM   #19
clilholt
Knee Dragger
 
clilholt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Gainesville Florida
Posts: 225
Thanks: 38
Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
red line the bike, drop the clutch. works every time.
clilholt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2013, 07:20 PM   #20
MikeyP
Moto GP Racer
 
MikeyP's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 3,309
Thanks: 263
Thanked 257 Times in 198 Posts
Feedback Score: 10 reviews
Is this the right place to mention I make my rear end slide on purpose?
Just 'cause it's fun.

Seriously though, agreed with link provided and replies here. Doing nothing is usually the best decision. Most of the time these situations happen, and are over before we have time to react, which is a good thing most of the time.

Don't panic, don't fixate. Stay focused. There is no magic solution to any situation. Repitition (hint hint track) will make you more consistent in your responses.

Oh, and check your tire pressure frequently. A low psi tire will not be your friend when it starts spinning.
__________________
2008 CBR 600RR #1 (Graffiti) street
2008 CBR 600RR #2 track
CMRA #599


Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeyP View Post
Unfortunately bikes fall over. It's in their nature.
It's our job to keep them upright, but we are only men.
MikeyP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2013, 07:45 AM   #21
Ry6rr
BOTY 2013 Winner & BOTM Winner 4/13
 
Ry6rr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 2,529
Thanks: 81
Thanked 616 Times in 518 Posts
Feedback Score: 5 reviews
Rear Slides

As the rear of the bike starts to slide the natural reaction is to close the throttle as most believe that's the root of the problem. By closing the throttle all you are doing is allowing the tyre to grip very suddenly which in turn fully compresses the suspension. When the suspension unloads it will inevitably lead to a highside. A constant throttle action is the key and the best way to practice is to get yourself on a trackday.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeyP View Post
Is this the right place to mention I make my rear end slide on purpose? Just 'cause it's fun.
Completely agree. It's good fun to back it in on corner entry and even more fun spinning it up on the exit. Not so good for lap times mind you...
Ry6rr is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Ry6rr For This Useful Post:
Rad Rage (01-27-2013)
Old 05-13-2013, 12:29 AM   #22
darklight
Knee Dragger
 
darklight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Montreal
Posts: 191
Thanks: 31
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
When you have a chance you should tap «twist of the wrist II» in youtube and watch the Keiths Code Video and you'll learn a bit about throttle control and how you shouldn't stay stiff on the handlebars or avoiding highsides/lowsides.
darklight is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2013, 02:30 PM   #23
crashkhanman
Moto GP Racer
 
crashkhanman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Charlotte, NC 28217
Posts: 3,898
Thanks: 445
Thanked 323 Times in 278 Posts
Feedback Score: 9 reviews
Me 2 years ago: Fast forward to 1 minute.....I ever sooo slightly let off the throttle (more like maintained throttle), didn't cut the throttle, loosened up my grip/body, an waited for the flick to occur....the bike did the rest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=4lntDwXNO-o
__________________
'07 CBR600RR Track-Only Demon!



'12 Aprilia RSV4 Factory ~ Crashed/SOLD
'07 CBR600RR Black ~ SOLD
'09 CBR600RR Phoenix TrackOnly ~SOLD
'09 CBR600RR Red/Black ~SOLD
'07 CBR600RR Blue/Silver ~SOLD
crashkhanman is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to crashkhanman For This Useful Post:
gveliopoulos (06-01-2013)
Old 05-22-2013, 02:20 AM   #24
Devon
Training Wheel Hero
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 33
Thanks: 3
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by crashkhanman View Post
Me 2 years ago: Fast forward to 1 minute.....I ever sooo slightly let off the throttle (more like maintained throttle), didn't cut the throttle, loosened up my grip/body, an waited for the flick to occur....the bike did the rest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=4lntDwXNO-o
woah!! ... i woulda stained my leathers bro. nicely saved though!
Devon is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Devon For This Useful Post:
crashkhanman (06-04-2013)
Old 06-01-2013, 05:13 PM   #25
gveliopoulos
AMA Supersport Racer
 
gveliopoulos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 930
Thanks: 150
Thanked 49 Times in 39 Posts
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
some examples of how letting the bike alone and maintaining good throttle control.

Edit: there's a problem embedding. just click the vid, it's worth watching if you haven't already seen it.

__________________
WTB:
BRAKE SIDE FOOT GUARD

"The government does not need to know more about what we are doing. We need to know more about what the government is doing” - Ron Paul

"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.” - Samuel Adams


Last edited by gveliopoulos; 06-03-2013 at 04:16 AM.
gveliopoulos is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:49 PM.



Powered by: vBulletin | vBadvanced CMPS & Gallery
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Motorcycle News, Videos and Reviews
Honda Grom Forum Harley Davidson Forum Honda 600RR Forum Kawasaki Forum Yamaha R6 Forum Yamaha FZ-09 Forum
1199 Panigale Forum Roadglide Forum Honda CBR1000 Forum Vulcan Forum Yamaha R1 Forum Yamaha R3 Forum
Ducati Monster Forum Harley Forums Honda CBR250R Forum ZX10R Forum Star Raider Forum Yamaha Viking Forum
Suzuki GSXR Forum V-Rod Forums Honda Shadow Forum Kawasaki Motorcycle Forum Star Warrior Forum KTM Duke 390 Forum
SV650 Forum BMW S1000RR Forum Honda Fury Forum Kawasaki Versys Forum Drag Racing Forum Ducati 899 Panigale Forum
Suzuki V-Strom BMW K1600 Triumph Forum Victory Forums Sportbikes BMW NineT Forum
Volusia Forum BMW F800 Forum Triumph 675 Forum MV Agusta Forum HD Street Forum Suzuki GW250 Forum
Yamaha Motorcycles Victory Gunner Forum Honda Vultus Forum HD LiveWire Forum Ninja H2 Forum Ducati Scrambler Forum Kawasaki Ninja 250SL Forum