In motorsports as far as 1rst or 2nd rider goes the true litmus test is who the team chooses to follow when there is a split in development direction. Lin Jarvis has made it very clear from the beginning that if there is a disagreement between Jorge and Vale that the development would be done towards Jorges wishes. Link
We can split hairs on fighting for podiums, most wins what ever, but end of the day the honours of lead rider really mean development lead in a team. Luckily enough Lin also says he doesn't see that as a problem since both Jorge and Vale have similar driving styles and often want to drive development in similar directions. And Yamaha would be supplying both riders with identical equipment.
I think we are also fooling ourselves to believe that the Japan 2010 situation will be allowed this time around (one rider on the verge of clinching a championship being hurried by his team mate, Catalonia 2008 is an entirely different situation). If you watch 2002 - 2012 A Decade in MotoGP you can see Lin Jarvis was clearly not pleased with what happened in Japan and from his comments that sentiment was made very clear to Vale that it would not be looked on kindly.
'The risk of a competitive Valentino Rossi is that he could take valuable points from Jorge Lorenzo in the final stretch of the title race, as he had done in Motegi in 2010. Was that a risk? It was something they had talked about, Jarvis admitted. "In the process of discussion with Valentino, we have obviously taken the opportunity to talk about the past. I think the situation in the team will be different, I think there's a different dynamic. In the previous team, Valentino was number 1, Jorge was the arriving youngster, and this created some obvious tensions at that stage. The dynamics will be quite different now. We have clarified the previous issues and explained obviously that we don't want to see any situations where our riders will be, shall we say, endangering the results of the other one. So this is always difficult where you have two strong riders, so I don't say that the next two seasons will be easy. It's never easy to manage a team with two top riders. But I believe we can manage that."' - Link
On a side not I think race fans should watch 2002 - 2012 A Decade in MotoGP. It does not have the production value of Fastest, but it is a very even keeled film with a lot of back stage type interviews that imho did a better job of representing the sport than being a fandom film like Fastest was.
LOL I try to make my posts shorter but I hate when ppl state things as facts without referencing their sources so I end up posting links to my information. Then I try to write an even toned post and before you know it.....its three paragraphs.
I have to hope a few ppl find my posts informative....
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Yamaha voicing their displeasure of Motegi 2010 is horse ****. Sure Vale took points from Lorenzo but keep in mind Pedrosa was out of the race so Lorenzo pretty much won the title already. Also..he spent most of the race behind Rossi...he decided to pass him when he could have simply hung back and collected the points. Fair play to Lorenzo since this is racing but they can't fault Rossi for fighting for the podium
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Guess I'm the only one that likes the lengthy break down posts with fact checking around here.
Naw man its all good, Blu is just keeping me honest. Sometimes I look a my posts and I'm like WTF dude that took 15 mins to write and spell check and probably like 2 ppl are going to read it. LOL.
Should change my user name to ShortStoryMadeLong
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Although I don't always agree with your pro-stoner, anti-rossi views, your probably the most up to date moto gp person on the site greendoor. And I read just about all of the post I see. Sometimes I wonder if you have a job in the field. I'm thinking a paid PR guy for HRC lol.
^ so you have a rear spooled stand? or pad stand? a week i wouldnt worry about it, although putting it on the stand never hurts. In the summer i dont use the stands unless im cleaning bike or cleaning chain
I have a padded stand for the swingarm, it's made by Black Widow if you have heard of them. So if the bike isn't going to move for a month putting it on the rear stand would be a good idea I take it.
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Guess I'm the only one that likes the lengthy break down posts with fact checking around here.
Nope, I enjoy reading his posts as well
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Yamaha voicing their displeasure of Motegi 2010 is horse ****. Sure Vale took points from Lorenzo but keep in mind Pedrosa was out of the race so Lorenzo pretty much won the title already. Also..he spent most of the race behind Rossi...he decided to pass him when he could have simply hung back and collected the points. Fair play to Lorenzo since this is racing but they can't fault Rossi for fighting for the podium
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Exactly! Jarvis is acting like Rossi was threatening Lorenzo's title chances?! It was already in the bag for Lorenzo and he decided to be a superhero and take Rossi on when he didn't need to. I understand he has spirit and wants to win all the time, but he must also understand the likes of Rossi (no one like him really) and other riders even will not let you just pass by without a fight. Motegi was one of the best races I have ever seen; I was breathless for the last 3 laps.
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Naw man its all good, Blu is just keeping me honest. Sometimes I look a my posts and I'm like WTF dude that took 15 mins to write and spell check and probably like 2 ppl are going to read it. LOL.
Should change my user name to ShortStoryMadeLong
LOL, more than 2 I'm sure, but if only I knew where that Green Door was
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Although I don't always agree with your pro-stoner, anti-rossi views, your probably the most up to date moto gp person on the site greendoor. And I read just about all of the post I see. Sometimes I wonder if you have a job in the field. I'm thinking a paid PR guy for HRC lol.
I second that, come clean before it's too late, who do you work for?!
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had NO intention of indicating anything of the sort
i believe dovi might have the ability to ride around a bikes issues moresom than rossi. if you're used to the 'best' equipment & not even accustomed to 'having' to ride around any particular bikes problems, then that particular skill-set won't be as honed & polished.
that is what i meant with my comment
i've followed vale since 125s; so it's not like, i'm not a fan
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I see what you're saying Red, that and he has very little pressure on him, when Vale went to Duc he had the entire world wanting him to win on his shoulders, a lot was expected of him on a Duc it was supposed to be a match made in heaven
On the contrary, I think if you're a skilled and talented rider like Rossi you can make things work, and if they are not working you have more experience explaining to the tech team what and why it doesn't work (obviously that didn't happen for him on a Duc). Look at Kimi Raikonen in the f1, such a talented driver, give him a shopping cart and he'll still finish on the podium.
I do hope that with Audis funding now they can get all the bugs fixed and Dovi has a successful season, just hope people don't start sayin "well look at that, why couldn't Rossi do that last season?"
I see what you're saying Red, that and he has very little pressure on him, when Vale went to Duc he had the entire world wanting him to win on his shoulders, a lot was expected of him on a Duc it was supposed to be a match made in heaven
Ok, that I can understand. And I think Rossi will have even more pressure next season to perform better on a Yami since he's won on them before and everyone will be expecting the same results as in the past, but only time will tell. Looking forward to it.
Dovi's strengths are similar to Vale's though. Late braking and corner entry have been his strengths. Shoddy front end with chronic understeer undermines that.
Remember, 04 M1, him riding colin's SBk bike faster than Colin himself when they did suzuka 8hrs, him posting a faster time on the yamaha SBK bike when he was injured than the fastest lap in the SBK race the day prior. He can ride around problems. Duc's problems were just so far from his strengths.
Dovi's strengths are similar to Vale's though. Late braking and corner entry have been his strengths. Shoddy front end with chronic understeer undermines that.
Remember, 04 M1, him riding colin's SBk bike faster than Colin himself when they did suzuka 8hrs, him posting a faster time on the yamaha SBK bike when he was injured than the fastest lap in the SBK race the day prior. He can ride around problems. Duc's problems were just so far from his strengths.
Someone give this man a medal! Exactly my thoughts.
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even a half season would be worth it, Ducati Dave has been getting it for a while now and loves it! would be nice to watch qual as well
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