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Old 12-10-2012, 06:53 PM   #2191
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Conceal a 22? Why? Pack an airsoft gun if you want
Agreed. Unless you're some black ops, CIA spook who will be doing point-blank ear canal shots, you'll need a bullet with better ballistics.
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Well, I broke my X300 today. The lens and bezel came loose from the head. Surefire sent me an rma and they will fix it for free. It still works, the led module and reflector just rattles around inside the head. This is the first Surefire failure I've had so far and this light has seen almost 5000 rounds of use at this point. The icing on the cake was I called a US company, got an American on the phone in minutes, and they said they would fix it no questions asked. Anything can fail, what really matters is how a company steps up and takes care of it. (Or doesn't in the case of those chicom lights I see all over the place)
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There are actually a lot if people who swear by the 22.. And there is some shocking data in high crime areas 22s are actually used in a lot more fetal shootings than people think..

I've even seen a few on cops of people dropped with a 22... I personally go with the trust 9mm/45 or big boys if I feel like blowing someone to most 357/10mm..

If your dead set in the 22 look at the 22 magnum. It's like a 22lr on sterioids but again is prefer a 9mm/40/45 HP for SD.


But don't think 22 can't do business because I've seen a lot that says other wise..
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Old 12-10-2012, 08:48 PM   #2194
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well yes i know its only a 22, but my conceal one would be more of the LC 9,,. the
sr22 would be more of my back up..hah . small enough to put in on a chest holster...

plus a 22 directly to the head can sure cause some damage, maybe death too

Ps.. i just went and bought myself a mossberg plinkster 22 rilfe. just for hunting and shooting crap
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Ehh I personally wouldn't want a 22 Being my back up. At least get a 380. The ruger LCP is a really nice CC gun.


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Old 12-10-2012, 09:14 PM   #2196
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Nutty, I hate to be rude but they are retarded.

The fact of the matter is, if you're using a gun for self defense in the first place, you're probably going to be no more than 100 feet away from someone if you're using a gun anyways. A modern 22.lr round in the skull, chest, arm, leg, is going to (at the very least) slow someone down enough to the point where unloading the rest of your magazine would kill them. If that is not the case, then you'd either be an awful shot or the person is drugged up or so insanely massive that shooting them with a 9mm or 45 caliber wouldn't deliver much different results. Please for the love of god do some research on the lethality of 22's before you type stupid things gentlemen. I'm not saying it would be my very first choice in the line of self defense, but it will kill someone with very little effort.
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Nutty, I hate to be rude but they are retarded.

The fact of the matter is, if you're using a gun for self defense in the first place, you're probably going to be no more than 100 feet away from someone if you're using a gun anyways. A modern 22.lr round in the skull, chest, arm, leg, is going to (at the very least) slow someone down enough to the point where unloading the rest of your magazine would kill them. If that is not the case, then you'd either be an awful shot or the person is drugged up or so insanely massive that shooting them with a 9mm or 45 caliber wouldn't deliver much different results. Please for the love of god do some research on the lethality of 22's before you type stupid things gentlemen. I'm not saying it would be my very first choice in the line of self defense, but it will kill someone with very little effort.
While I agree that a .22 can be lethal, so can a .177 pelet rifle. I wouldn't rely on it for self defense unless it was my only option though.
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thanks for the input guys, and dont be scare to be rude HAAH

well in appx 3 weeks i'll be legal to own a hand gun.
im now considering a xdm 45mm standard model.
and the Ruger LC9...or i may jump to the Glock 19..hmm
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thanks for the input guys, and dont be scare to be rude HAAH

well in appx 3 weeks i'll be legal to own a hand gun.
im now considering a xdm 45mm standard model.
and the Ruger LC9...or i may jump to the Glock 19..hmm
Glock 19 FTW

My fav hand gun.. I own a 17 tho for the extra realist ate with side radius
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:18 PM   #2200
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Nutty, I hate to be rude but they are retarded.

The fact of the matter is, if you're using a gun for self defense in the first place, you're probably going to be no more than 100 feet away from someone if you're using a gun anyways. A modern 22.lr round in the skull, chest, arm, leg, is going to (at the very least) slow someone down enough to the point where unloading the rest of your magazine would kill them. If that is not the case, then you'd either be an awful shot or the person is drugged up or so insanely massive that shooting them with a 9mm or 45 caliber wouldn't deliver much different results. Please for the love of god do some research on the lethality of 22's before you type stupid things gentlemen. I'm not saying it would be my very first choice in the line of self defense, but it will kill someone with very little effort.
i couldnt agree more,there is plenty of info out there about how affective a .22 can be, while it may not be my first choice for a CC I wouldnt worry that a .22 wouldnt be helpful. you get into a situation where there is a gunman comminting a shooting anyone shooting back will more likely scare the gunman away even with just a .22
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Well, I broke my X300 today. The lens and bezel came loose from the head. Surefire sent me an rma and they will fix it for free. It still works, the led module and reflector just rattles around inside the head. This is the first Surefire failure I've had so far and this light has seen almost 5000 rounds of use at this point. The icing on the cake was I called a US company, got an American on the phone in minutes, and they said they would fix it no questions asked. Anything can fail, what really matters is how a company steps up and takes care of it. (Or doesn't in the case of those chicom lights I see all over the place)
That's awesome customer service, but I would think that a broken X300 just means you need to upgrade to the new 500 lumens version .


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Nutty, I hate to be rude but they are retarded.

The fact of the matter is, if you're using a gun for self defense in the first place, you're probably going to be no more than 100 feet away from someone if you're using a gun anyways. A modern 22.lr round in the skull, chest, arm, leg, is going to (at the very least) slow someone down enough to the point where unloading the rest of your magazine would kill them. If that is not the case, then you'd either be an awful shot or the person is drugged up or so insanely massive that shooting them with a 9mm or 45 caliber wouldn't deliver much different results. Please for the love of god do some research on the lethality of 22's before you type stupid things gentlemen. I'm not saying it would be my very first choice in the line of self defense, but it will kill someone with very little effort.
I don't think anyone here said a .22 isn't lethal, it's actually quite lethal and doctors have a hard time cleaning up the wounds, but it sure wouldn't be the first choice given that we have great modern day SD ammo.
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A .22 is more than i would want to be shot with. But if your engaging someone thats bent on some kind of dope or substance then a .22 isnt going to stop their action. Anyone thats familiar with gun laws and know about the blowback from shooting an assailant will know this to ring true. In the court of law your trained to shoot center mass.. If you go straight for a head shot you could open yourself up to litigation. Center mass shot on a crazed person with a smaller caliper round more often than not wont slow them down. Clothing layers have also been shown to slow a .22 round down enough to the point of stopping it from penetrating the body cavity. Ill stick with a larger caliber (9mm) for CC and enjoy my .45 Kimber covert for duty ;)
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As for Glocks, I was a big fan for years, however I turned to the dark side with the M&P. It just fits my hand better, and I'm faster using it when running drills confirmed with a shot timer. My girlfriend bought my 19 and I still get to shoot it, but I'm really in love with my Smith. Will be picking up the VTAC M&P 9 shortly after the new year.
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My gf has one and it's a jam o matic. I would recommend the Ruger MKII for a good .22 pistol.
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A lot of small caliber talk, I'll share my little .380, Sig P238, functions flawless, has a solid feel weight-wise, fitment is awesome. Came with SigLite sights out the box that are actually quite nice in size, I cannot say anything bad about this thing. I've grown quite fond that I can just toss it in my pocket, and I enjoy running rounds through it as well!-


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never shot one but my buddy had one for a little while and had constant issues with it
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As for Glocks, I was a big fan for years, however I turned to the dark side with the M&P. It just fits my hand better, and I'm faster using it when running drills confirmed with a shot timer. My girlfriend bought my 19 and I still get to shoot it, but I'm really in love with my Smith. Will be picking up the VTAC M&P 9 shortly after the new year.
You made your girlfriend buy the 19 from you? Haha cold hearted, man.
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Lol, she has my 19 and also a gen 1 17. She really likes Glock's and doesn't like my M&P much.
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Great looking knife - even though it's bling-bling, I love the tiger stripes. S30V is a great steel, just make sure you have a diamond stone or you'll be sharpening it for days .
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Great looking knife - even though it's bling-bling, I love the tiger stripes. S30V is a great steel, just make sure you have a diamond stone or you'll be sharpening it for days .
speaking of sharpeners, anyone have any good kits they can recommend, my kershaw is dull as hell.
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From all this talk about knives and sharpening, I just spent the last hour cleaning up some kitchen knives I've put off .


From what I saw on the WERA board, Kershaw does free sharpening if you mail it to them. Personally, I use a two-sided whetstone I picked up from the local chinese supermarket when I was shopping for groceries. It's not so much about what stones you use, as much as it's about learning to build the burr and then removing it in a way that doesn't shear it off. Sure, some fancy Arkansas or diamond stones make it easier to "cut" the steel, but you still have to build that edge.

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For all the guys wanting a .380 and I think nutty wanting info I just read a huge in depth review on all the top 380s put head to head really great read for the guys wanting to know info onthem...


If you can't find it on the shelves its available on in the App Store. Again great read for you guys really good review.
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