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Old 01-03-2013, 10:49 PM   #601
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The argument that "guns will never be banned so stop worrying about these law proposals" is exactly what could lead to that very thing!

Chicago banned guns for 28 years! And even when they lifted the ban in 2010 (because it didn't help) they still have the most strict laws in the nation on guns, and it's still not helping!
Yup. But they never learn.

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“I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history.

If you remember the plot of the Sound of Music, the Von Trapp family escaped over the Alps rather than submit to the Nazis. Kitty wasn’t so lucky. Her family chose to stay in her native Austria. She was 10 years old, but bright and aware. And she was watching.

“We elected him by a landslide – 98 percent of the vote,” she recalls.

She wasn’t old enough to vote in 1938 – approaching her 11th birthday. But she remembers.

“Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in with his tanks and took Austria by force.”

No so.

Hitler is welcomed to Austria

“In 1938, Austria was in deep Depression. Nearly one-third of our workforce was unemployed. We had 25 percent inflation and 25 percent bank loan interest rates.

Farmers and business people were declaring bankruptcy daily. Young people were going from house to house begging for food. Not that they didn’t want to work; there simply weren’t any jobs.

“My mother was a Christian woman and believed in helping people in need. Every day we cooked a big kettle of soup and baked bread to feed those poor, hungry people – about 30 daily.’

“We looked to our neighbor on the north, Germany, where Hitler had been in power since 1933.” she recalls. “We had been told that they didn’t have unemployment or crime, and they had a high standard of living.

“Nothing was ever said about persecution of any group – Jewish or otherwise. We were led to believe that everyone in Germany was happy. We wanted the same way of life in Austria. We were promised that a vote for Hitler would mean the end of unemployment and help for the family. Hitler also said that businesses would be assisted, and farmers would get their farms back.

“Ninety-eight percent of the population voted to annex Austria to Germany and have Hitler for our ruler.

“We were overjoyed,” remembers Kitty, “and for three days we danced in the streets and had candlelight parades. The new government opened up big field kitchens and
everyone was fed.

“After the election, German officials were appointed, and, like a miracle, we suddenly had law and order. Three or four weeks later, everyone was employed. The government made sure that a lot of work was created through the Public Work Service.

“Hitler decided we should have equal rights for women. Before this, it was a custom that married Austrian women did not work outside the home. An able-bodied husband would be looked down on if he couldn’t support his family. Many women in the teaching profession were elated that they could retain the jobs they previously had been re- quired to give up for marriage.

“Then we lost religious education for kids

“Our education was nationalized. I attended a very good public school.. The population was predominantly Catholic, so we had religion in our schools. The day we elected Hitler (March 13, 1938), I walked into my schoolroom to find the crucifix replaced by Hitler’s picture hanging next to a Nazi flag. Our teacher, a very devout woman, stood up and told the class we wouldn’t pray or have religion anymore. Instead, we sang ‘Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles,’ and had physical education.

“Sunday became National Youth Day with compulsory attendance. Parents were not pleased about the sudden change in curriculum. They were told that if they did not send us, they would receive a stiff letter of warning the first time. The second time they would be fined the equivalent of $300, and the third time they would be subject to jail.”
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“The first two hours consisted of political indoctrination. The rest of the day we had sports. As time went along, we loved it. Oh, we had so much fun and got our sports equipment free.

“We would go home and gleefully tell our parents about the wonderful time we had.

“My mother was very unhappy,” remembers Kitty. “When the next term started, she took me out of public school and put me in a convent. I told her she couldn’t do that and she told me that someday when I grew up, I would be grateful. There was a very good curriculum, but hardly any fun – no sports, and no political indoctrination.

“I hated it at first but felt I could tolerate it. Every once in a while, on holidays, I went home. I would go back to my old friends and ask what was going on and what they were doing.

“Their loose lifestyle was very alarming to me. They lived without religion. By that time, unwed mothers were glorified for having a baby for Hitler.

“It seemed strange to me that our society changed so suddenly. As time went along, I realized what a great deed my mother did so that I wasn’t exposed to that kind of humanistic philosophy.

“In 1939, the war started, and a food bank was established. All food was rationed and could only be purchased using food stamps. At the same time, a full-employment law was passed which meant if you didn’t work, you didn’t get a ration card, and, if you didn’t have a card, you starved to death.

“Women who stayed home to raise their families didn’t have any marketable skills and often had to take jobs more suited for men.

“Soon after this, the draft was implemented.

“It was compulsory for young people, male and female, to give one year to the labor corps,” remembers Kitty. “During the day, the girls worked on the farms, and at night they returned to their barracks for military training just like the boys.

“They were trained to be anti-aircraft gunners and participated in the signal corps. After the labor corps, they were not discharged but were used in the front lines.

“When I go back to Austria to visit my family and friends, most of these women are emotional cripples because they just were not equipped to handle the horrors of combat.

“Three months before I turned 18, I was severely injured in an air raid attack. I nearly had a leg amputated, so I was spared having to go into the labor corps and into military service.

“When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately established child care centers.

“You could take your children ages four weeks old to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, seven days a week, under the total care of the government.

“The state raised a whole generation of children. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology. By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We knew we had been had.

“Before Hitler, we had very good medical care. Many American doctors trained at the University of Vienna..

“After Hitler, health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything.

“When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full.

“If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.

“As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80 percent of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families.

“All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.

“We had another agency designed to monitor business. My brother-in-law owned a restaurant that had square tables.

“Government officials told him he had to replace them with round tables because people might bump themselves on the corners. Then they said he had to have additional bathroom facilities. It was just a small dairy business with a snack bar. He couldn’t meet all the demands.

“Soon, he went out of business. If the government owned the large businesses and not many small ones existed, it could be in control.

“We had consumer protection, too

“We were told how to shop and what to buy. Free enterprise was essentially abolished. We had a planning agency specially designed for farmers. The agents would go to the farms, count the livestock, and then tell the farmers what to produce, and how to produce it.

“In 1944, I was a student teacher in a small village in the Alps. The villagers were surrounded by mountain passes which, in the winter, were closed off with snow, causing people to be isolated.

“So people intermarried and offspring were sometimes retarded. When I arrived, I was told there were 15 mentally retarded adults, but they were all useful and did good manual work.

“I knew one, named Vincent, very well. He was a janitor of the school. One day I looked out the window and saw Vincent and others getting into a van.

“I asked my superior where they were going. She said to an institution where the State Health Department would teach them a trade, and to read and write. The families were required to sign papers with a little clause that they could not visit for 6 months.

“They were told visits would interfere with the program and might cause homesickness.

“As time passed, letters started to dribble back saying these people died a natural, merciful death. The villagers were not fooled. We suspected what was happening. Those people left in excellent physical health and all died within 6 months. We called this euthanasia.

“Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law-abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long afterwards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.

“No more freedom of speech. Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.

“Totalitarianism didn’t come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria. Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.”

“This is my eyewitness account.

“It’s true. Those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty came to a country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity.

“America is truly is the greatest country in the world. “Don’t let freedom slip away.

“After America, there is no place to go.”

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I read this the other day.. crazy the similarities between Nazi Germany and our current government.
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I read this the other day.. crazy the similarities between Nazi Germany and our current government.
Its a classic play throughout history, Nazi Germany is just the one people can most relate to. I don't believe we are headed towards genocide. What is true though is that the rise of many oppressive government is preceded by promise of economic stability through socialization and safety through disarmament of the population.
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Its a classic play throughout history, Nazi Germany is just the one people can most relate to. I don't believe we are headed towards genocide. What is true though is that the rise of many oppressive government is preceded by promise of economic stability through socialization and safety through disarmament of the population.
& that's exactly what the government is working towards. What I can't figure out is do people not see that or is that what they want. I just don't understand it.


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Or how about a little history lesson on our trust worthy government always "looking out for its people" and "good on its word"


Social Security cards up to the 1980's expressly stated the number and card were not to be used for identification purposes. Since nearly everyone in the United States now has a number, it became convenient to use it anyway and the words "NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION" have been removed.




An old Social Security Card with the "NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION"


When FDR, A DEMOCRAT introduced the Social Security (FICA) He promised:

1. That participation in the Program would be completely voluntary

Participation is no longer voluntary

2. Participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes into the program.

Now 7.65% on the 1st $90,000.00 is required

3. The money participants elected to put into the Program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year.

Contributed funds are no longer tax deductible

4. The money participants put in went to the Independent Trust Fund rather than into the General Operating Fund, and would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program and no other Government program.

Under LBJ the money was moved to the General Fund and Spent!

5. The annuity payments to the retirees would NEVER be taxed as income

Under Clinton and Gore up to 85% of your Social Security can be taxed

Since many of us paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month only to find out the we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal Government to put away.

You may be interested in the following:
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Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the Independent Trust Fund and put it in the General Fund so Congress could spend it?

A: It was Lyndon Banes Johnson and the Democratically controlled House and Senate.
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Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding

A: You guessed it! The Democratic party.
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Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security Annuities?

A: The Democratic Party with Al Gore casting the tie-breaking deciding vote as President of the Senate (while he was VP of the U.S.)
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Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?

A: You got it!

Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party. Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65 began to receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them even though they never paid a dime into it.
------------ --------- ---------- ---------- --------- --------- ---------- --

Then, after violating the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell us that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!



Not to mention this country was build and even started to be tax free... Yea that worked out real well...
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Failbama is going to use an Executive order to get around the process, and just do as he pleases.
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A shady move, but can't say I am to surprised by that.
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If you can afford to get the rifles or high cap mags you need too asap. The prices have almost tripled in price. Come the weekend we may have a new set of laws. Which is all bull crap in my opinion!
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Failbama is going to use an Executive order to get around the process, and just do as he pleases.
Closure of the gun show loophole means registration. No bueno

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Most places , can't even find magazine for my glock19, 9mm ammo is also running low as well.

Get your hands on them quick, and that's with ammo too. Don't worry about all the "mod" parts
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Are you serious? It doesn't even come close to meaning that! The gunshow "loophole" as they call it involves the private sale of guns, by individuals at a gun show and does not require a background check like what is required if you purchase the same gun from a FFL.......the infamous form 4473.
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I'm not one bit surprised by this move. Obummer knows that without using his "executive powers", a gun ban would be DOA when it gets to Congress.
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If you can afford to get the rifles or high cap mags you need too asap. The prices have almost tripled in price. Come the weekend we may have a new set of laws. Which is all bull crap in my opinion!
How do you think that is going to happen? Congress can't even wipe their collective asses in less than two months. Brush up on you high school civics class. Laws are enacted by the Congress of the United States, NOT to be confused with an executive order which only deals with federal employees. If a President tries to issue an Executive order that is intended to change the present laws, or one that affects other than government employees, it it the obligation of the Congress of the United States to veto it.
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I'm not one bit surprised by this move. Obummer knows that without using his "executive powers", a gun ban would be DOA when it gets to Congress.
He cannot issue an executive order to get a gun ban, that would be changing the law. The only folks that have the power to change the law is the Congress.........House and Senate.
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He cannot issue an executive order to get a gun ban, that would be changing the law. The only folks that have the power to change the law is the Congress.........House and Senate.
He shouldn't be able to, doesn't mean he won't. Scary times.
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you could move to canada... lol.

its so safe here, that apparently when my wife got home today after i left. i had forgot to close the storm door to my house and left the keys in my truck. nothing was touched of course.

only need guns around here to shoot some food!!
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If I'm not mistaken I'm under the impression that the "loop hole" @ gun shows has something to do with being able to assemble an AR from parts & not needing back ground checks. I could be wrong.

This administration is so corrupt. Idk if he will be able to use executive order on gun control. I know he did use it for use of military assets in the overthrow of khadafi. Was never approved by any congressional resolution. This may shock you but it's the first time in history. I'm telling you this guy gets away with murder. Don't kid yourself by thinking oh he can't do this or that. Times are a changing for the worst. & he's changing them. God help us all!


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you could move to canada... lol.

its so safe here, that apparently when my wife got home today after i left. i had forgot to close the storm door to my house and left the keys in my truck. nothing was touched of course.

only need guns around here to shoot some food!!
There's a huge cultural difference. I would move to Canada but too fuggin cold.
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Yeah, I dont understand how people can still be Obombya supporters. Ever bumper sticker I see I just want to take a sharpie to it and write "FAIL" on it.

We are on the fastrack down the sh*tter.
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