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**Phatstud** · 11-27-2009, 05:18 PM

Well Mobil 1 syth has been know for some spun bearing issues with turbo'd Subaru's but there's also other variables that isn't broken down with those supposed problems.

Mainly most blame Mobil 1.

SLAPS808 · 11-27-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Phatstud

Well Mobil 1 syth has been know for some spun bearing issues with turbo'd Subaru's but there's also other variables that isn't broken down with those supposed problems.

Mainly most blame Mobil 1.

interesting...

so what are the oils theyre using? how are these cars built?

Amsoil Dealer Group · 11-27-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Phatstud

Well Mobil 1 syth has been know for some spun bearing issues with turbo'd Subaru's but there's also other variables that isn't broken down with those supposed problems.

Mainly most blame Mobil 1.

They can blame it all they want but I doubt if that is the issue if the oil is changed at the REQUIRED 3750 miles on the Sub.

Not only that, it has no relation to the Mobil 1 Racing 4T for Motorcycles as the 4T is a Full Synthetic.

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Amsoil Dealer Group · 11-27-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SLAPS808

ive been using mobil 1 full syn on my cars/trucks for the last 12yrs.

Hmmmm .. What exactly does it say on the face of the bottle.. The only Full synthetic (and it's still only 30%) is the Extended Performance.. If it doesn't say Ext. Perf. on the bottle, at best it is a Hydro-Cracked and may just be a petroleum oil..

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SLAPS808 · 11-27-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Amsoil Dealer Group

Hmmmm .. What exactly does it say on the face of the bottle.. The only Full synthetic (and it's still only 30%) is the Extended Performance.. If it doesn't say Ext. Perf. on the bottle, at best it is a Hydro-Cracked and may just be a petroleum oil..

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hmmmm, interesting...
i use the ext perf and the regular full syn.
where are you finding this info?

**Phatstud** · 11-27-2009, 05:53 PM

I've used extended performance for awhile on the Subaru.

Amsoil Dealer Group · 11-27-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SLAPS808

hmmmm, interesting...
i use the ext perf and the regular full syn.
where are you finding this info?

Just need to look at the specs and after 35 yrs in the business you pick a thing or two up...

EP is the only "Synthetic"

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Amsoil Dealer Group · 11-27-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Phatstud

I've used extended performance for awhile on the Subaru.

And you DO change at the REQUIRED 3750 or sooner..

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**Phatstud** · 11-27-2009, 06:06 PM

I change at 3k or so, never over 3500 miles.

Amsoil Dealer Group · 11-27-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Phatstud

I change at 3k or so, never over 3500 miles.

Good Man...

Keep it that way... Make sure you pull and clean/replace the screen in the Banjo fitting..

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9529180 · 12-10-2009, 05:41 PM

does anyone use Rotella T synthetic? i read about it being basically the same thing as the honda motorcycle oil...

scubastevexxiii · 12-10-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 9529180

does anyone use Rotella T synthetic? i read about it being basically the same thing as the honda motorcycle oil...

Never heard of it.

I usually go to the Honda dealer and I use the Honda GN4 Semi Synthetic 10w40 (gold bottle) for the summer and now that it is winter I put the stabil in the tank last weekend and I'm changing the oil with the regular GN4 crude 10W40 (black bottle) for the winter this weekend and change back to the semi blend in the summer.

I figure the bike revs twice as high as the car and the people making the engine should know what to put in it?

I've always thought about using AMS Oil but I'm usually at the mileage to change it and don't have the time to order it. They need to start selling that stuff in the stores.

Amsoil Dealer Group · 12-10-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 9529180

does anyone use Rotella T synthetic? i read about it being basically the same thing as the honda motorcycle oil...

This is one of those where you will hear "I used it for 68 years and 5 million miles with no problems"

Unfortunately, the Rotella that everyone has used, no longer is on the market and the Rotella available does not carry the minimum requirements set forth by the OEM. SG/SH JASO MA or MA 2

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biggy · 12-10-2009, 10:49 PM

all i have ever used is amsoil in all my bike, Best by far

cbrmag_rider · 12-11-2009, 11:51 AM

3 qts and 3qts only for all years.

-From the man with the master plan

cbrmag_rider · 12-11-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Amsoil Dealer Group

This is one of those where you will hear "I used it for 68 years and 5 million miles with no problems"

Unfortunately, the Rotella that everyone has used, no longer is on the market and the Rotella available does not carry the minimum requirements set forth by the OEM. SG/SH JASO MA or MA 2

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10w30 is rated SH

Rotella T Triple Protection:

Rotella T Full Synthetic:

Amsoil Dealer Group · 12-12-2009, 07:03 PM

It doesn't make a difference as long as it has the JASO MA

If it does not have a JASO MA it should carry SG/SH not just SH, there is a difference.

But Shell has just updated the Data sheets and it looks like they now carry the JASO MA

So for anyone looking for an oil that just meets MINIMUM Requirements.. Go for it..

Personally, I will use AMSOIL as due to the extended drain interval alone, it is less expensive to run per mile and it is absolutely the best oil and filters you can buy.

Not to mention the side benefits of cooler oil temps, smoother shifting, fewer false neutrals, easier to find neutral and less wear.

Cost of ownership is reduced with AMSOIL.

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SuperKirby · 12-13-2009, 05:21 AM

Honda oil FTW. honda bike = honda products (cant go wrong)

warpspeed · 12-13-2009, 08:56 AM

mobile 1 4t all the way w/PUROLATOR PURE ONE filters. those are THE best.

Amsoil Dealer Group · 12-13-2009, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperKirby

Honda oil FTW. honda bike = honda products (cant go wrong)

Who makes the Honda oil and oil filter ?

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Amsoil Dealer Group · 12-13-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by warpspeed

mobile 1 4t all the way w/PUROLATOR PURE ONE filters. those are THE best.

Well, they may not be the best, but they are pretty good. If AMSOIL was not available, I would quite possibly run them too.

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scorpion2420 · 12-18-2009, 03:47 PM

mobil 1 full synthetic and motul synthetic are the ways to go. try em out just dont get semi synthetic

Amsoil Dealer Group · 12-24-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperKirby

Honda oil FTW. honda bike = honda products (cant go wrong)

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Originally Posted by Amsoil Dealer Group

Who makes the Honda oil and oil filter ?

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Still waiting on an answer to this... HINT: It isn't Honda.

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Gimenez · 01-19-2010, 09:32 PM

Who is it?

Amsoil Dealer Group · 01-19-2010, 09:43 PM

It goes out for bid... lowest bidder

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SLAPS808 · 01-19-2010, 09:48 PM

Amsoil,

can you pm me a price for 4 qts 10w40 shipped to 92056??

CProgrammer · 01-19-2010, 10:16 PM

Saw Something I didnt understand in here and since I'm about ready to order from the Amsoil rep in this thread and because its his quote that confused me I'll ask...

you said :
Keep it that way... Make sure you pull and clean/replace the screen in the Banjo fitting..

Was that a reference to dude's Subaru or is this something I haven't learned about my CBR ?? Doesn't sound like cycle stuff to me..

Thanks all..

Still have my PM saved with the price for 4 quarts & XX filters for xxx (whatever those values were) wil be ordering soon ... thank you
nerrr mind I googled it and immediately subaru stuff popped up sorry all !!

VTSteve · 01-19-2010, 10:31 PM

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I figure the bike revs twice as high as the car and the people making the engine should know what to put in it?

Not trying to start a flame war here, but the FSM says "API service classification SG, or higher, except oils labeled as energy conserving"
AFAIK the benfits of using "motorcycle specific" oil are mostly nonexistent marketing hype.

This is a good article on the subject.

BTW, I run Castrol GTX from Wally World and have never have an issue. It says SG on the bottle. If I were racing maybe I'd give it a little more thought, but I don't know how you guys can pay over 10 bucks a quart for whatever magic oil you use.

Amsoil Dealer Group · 01-20-2010, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CProgrammer

Saw Something I didnt understand in here and since I'm about ready to order from the Amsoil rep in this thread and because its his quote that confused me I'll ask...

you said :
Keep it that way... Make sure you pull and clean/replace the screen in the Banjo fitting..

Was that a reference to dude's Subaru or is this something I haven't learned about my CBR ?? Doesn't sound like cycle stuff to me..

Thanks all..

Still have my PM saved with the price for 4 quarts & XX filters for xxx (whatever those values were) wil be ordering soon ... thank you
nerrr mind I googled it and immediately subaru stuff popped up sorry all !!

Sorry, that reference was to his Subaru

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Amsoil Dealer Group · 01-20-2010, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by VTSteve

Not trying to start a flame war here, but the FSM says "API service classification SG, or higher, except oils labeled as energy conserving"
AFAIK the benfits of using "motorcycle specific" oil are mostly nonexistent marketing hype.

BTW, I run Castrol GTX from Wally World and have never have an issue. It says SG on the bottle. If I were racing maybe I'd give it a little more thought, but I don't know how you guys can pay over 10 bucks a quart for whatever magic oil you use.

In the manual, at least the one I have copied here, it says an API Rating of SG/SH. A higher API Rating MAY be used if is has a JASO MA Rating..

This does not mean SH can be used. It must have the SG or SG/SH Rating.

There is a difference between Motorcycle Specific and auto/diesel oils. Higher ZDDP for wear, Higher TBN, Anti-Rust and Corrosion Inhibitors, Clutch performance improvers and in some, Specific Anti-Wear Additives for the transmission.

I have tested (oil analysis) different oils in my bikes and others and without a doubt, Motorcycle Specific oils fair better than non M/C

Always use a M/C Specific oil with a JASO MA Rating, better yet, MA 2, but never MB

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