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Old 06-23-2008, 09:31 PM   #1
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Official Tire Reading Thread (post your tire reading questions here)

To cut down on the clutter from the growing number of tire reading threads, lets start a mass thread dedicated to the topic.

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Posting a question regarding your tire wear:
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Old 06-29-2008, 10:59 PM   #2
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i just saw the sticky for the thread, and i thought that i should mention some links that may help people understand more visually, as opposed to reading someones answers.

http://www.youtube.com/user/speedybee43

(there you can find videos of Dave Moss explaining how to read tires, adjust your suspension, and making adjustments from the wear pattern of your tires).

http://www.feelthetrack.com/tire-wear.html

(a page off of Dave Moss's website, has pictures and explanations of different wear patterns.

i know it said to post questions only, but personally i didn't really understand it until i saw it. so i thought this would help out your thread, and just may answer A LOT of questions from people already. again, please don't be upset that it's not a question, and i have no means of clutter, just trying to help out...
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i just saw the sticky for the thread, and i thought that i should mention some links that may help people understand more visually, as opposed to reading someones answers.

http://www.youtube.com/user/speedybee43

(there you can find videos of Dave Moss explaining how to read tires, adjust your suspension, and making adjustments from the wear pattern of your tires).

http://www.feelthetrack.com/tire-wear.html

(a page off of Dave Moss's website, has pictures and explanations of different wear patterns.

i know it said to post questions only, but personally i didn't really understand it until i saw it. so i thought this would help out your thread, and just may answer A LOT of questions from people already. again, please don't be upset that it's not a question, and i have no means of clutter, just trying to help out...
All of that has been posted before on this website, quite a few times, but people still just post up pics and ask, which is the purpose of this thread.
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yeah i know, i've seen it before, i've even posted it before, just thought since it was probably lost in the old pages of the forum that it might be a good thing to put it in the sticky...
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yeah i know, i've seen it before, i've even posted it before, just thought since it was probably lost in the old pages of the forum that it might be a good thing to put it in the sticky...
Yes I think this is a good thing to have in the sticky.
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Old 07-03-2008, 08:33 PM   #6
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for asking this, but when referring to the leading and trailing edge of the tire, is that in reference to the edges between the GROVE in the tire, or the edges between the RUBBER BETWEEN THE GROVES?

I'm trying to learn about reading a tire, and get my suspension set up properly, or at least be educated about it.
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The leading edge is the rubber right in front of the tread pattern, and the trialing is behind.
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let me be the first to post pics of a tyre that has rear suspension problems.



this is a Michelin Pilot Power 2CT rear tyre on a GSXR1000K7 & you can clearly see the scallop (raised lip) on the trailing edge of the tyre, whether if the scallop is on the leading or trailing edge it only means that you have rebound damping problems with your rear shock.

too much rebound damping (too hard) scallops the trailing edge & too little rebound damping (too soft) scallops the front edge. the pic is taken on the right hand side of the tyre so the rotation fprward is clockwise.

i'll take other pics of tyres with compression & rebound damping problems, that way you'll know what it looks like & what to do to correct it but most importantly you MUST set you rider sag first before any adjustments to the damping adjusters are to be made.
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this one is from the same bike but it is now the front tyre we are looking at, can you guys guess what the problem is?



i'll leave you guys to figure it out but to the trained eye they'll instantly recognize what the problem is. the tyre in the pics is a Michelin PP 2CT front.
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From left to right is that tire going forwards or backwards? Sorry but it has been a long time since I've had a PP tire.
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From left to right is that tire going forwards or backwards? Sorry but it has been a long time since I've had a PP tire.
backwards, i shot the pic on the left hand side of the bike.
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Too much rebound and in that pic it looks like in the middle of the tread there is shaved edge on the trailing edge. Is that due to compression or is that another issue b/c it is coupled with a suspension issue on the same edge?
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Old 07-07-2008, 10:03 PM   #13
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Slight liping of the leading edge, becoming more pronounced throughout the day suggesting more rebound (faster) is needed. Slight geometry tear as well becoming more and more pronounced throughout the day, and even more so afterwards, suggesting rear spring is not adequate for rider weight.

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Too much rebound and in that pic it looks like in the middle of the tread there is shaved edge on the trailing edge. Is that due to compression or is that another issue b/c it is coupled with a suspension issue on the same edge?
correct, the forks have too much rebound damping (too hard) & the fork springs are too stiff, the forks barely compress when i bounce them so we're having both problems acting at the same time screwing up the tire.
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ok, whats going on here?

Ok tire readers, whats going on here? running 32 PSI HOT on DC3s.

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Ok tire readers, whats going on here? running 32 PSI HOT on DC3s.

That's the Rear tire, by the way, direction of rotation is left to right.

more (faster) rebound needed. touch your cold pressure up 1 PSI too. 32 hot is too low and is causing a little hot tearing.

I can tell you're really hammering the gas after the apex though. Roll on the throttle just before you apex. that will broaden your debris field and not show such an on off mark like that.

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So I should get on the gas a little earlier? Might have to change my lines for that a bit. But that might not be a bad thing. Thing is, my throttle seems really progressive, but I guess maybe it isnt.
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I like this thread.

Ok.. Here's my FRONT PP 2-CT. BOTH pics are of the same tire at the same time.
Pressure = 28psi.

Please tell me what i'm doing wrong.


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Ok tire readers, whats going on here? running 32 PSI HOT on DC3s.

definitely a hot tear i see (fingernail marks) & i could tell from the wear pattern you get on the gas very hard when you're on the fat part of the tire you're either lacking in compression damping or the spring is a bit soft for your weight/riding style (scalloped leading edge).

on the outer edge of the tire i a scallop on the trailing edge indicating you have too much rebound damping, i suggest turning the rebound damping softer or increase your spring preload up a notch.

increasing the spring preload or stiffness will hit 2 birds with 1 stone, your lack of compression damping & too much rebound damping.
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So I should get on the gas a little earlier? Might have to change my lines for that a bit. But that might not be a bad thing. Thing is, my throttle seems really progressive, but I guess maybe it isnt.
well, you see that line right in the middle of your transition patch? that's you picking up the throttle right after apex as you begin to pick up the bike. it's not a harsh line... but it's either that or you're trail braking and lulling the neutral throttle.
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I like this thread.

Ok.. Here's my FRONT PP 2-CT. BOTH pics are of the same tire at the same time.
Pressure = 28psi.

Please tell me what i'm doing wrong.


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do you have closer shots of the tires? we really need to have a very close pic as it's hard to tell at that distance.
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I like this thread.

Ok.. Here's my FRONT PP 2-CT. BOTH pics are of the same tire at the same time.
Pressure = 28psi.

Please tell me what i'm doing wrong.


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So I should get on the gas a little earlier? Might have to change my lines for that a bit. But that might not be a bad thing. Thing is, my throttle seems really progressive, but I guess maybe it isnt.
Try to be neutral throttle as you get to the apex and right after start rolling it on. Watch this youtube video and see how smoothly Pridmore rolls on the gas after the apex. These videos coupled with some winter reading was a major boost for my speed and comfort on the track.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HnSQx8cNMyE
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Perfect!

This is exactly the thread i was hoping for. Trying to learn what all the terms mean, (hot and cold tear, etc..) and what they look like. and how to correct it. Perfect! Keep it up guys. VERY valuable info here.
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Sorry about the FAR AWAY pics. Those were picture that i took from the track and now it's too late to take closer pics of them because i've had them on the street.

I'll take some after my VIR track day and post. Hopefully i'll be on Power Races by then.

This is an AWSOME thread and i'm eager to learn as much as possible from you guys.

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Can someone help me out.
Went to fontana last weekend. Was about 95 degree air temp.
Running Pilot Powers, no tct. Ran 38 front and 37 rear, per michelin guys at the track.
Looks like the rear tires trailing lip is higher than the front. (too much compression?) No noticable raise in the fronts.
Going to fontana again 8-1. Thinking of getting diablo corsas or 2ct's. Any suggestions.?
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Can someone help me out.
Went to fontana last weekend. Was about 95 degree air temp.
Running Pilot Powers, no tct. Ran 38 front and 37 rear, per michelin guys at the track.
Looks like the rear tires trailing lip is higher than the front. (too much compression?) No noticable raise in the fronts.
Going to fontana again 8-1. Thinking of getting diablo corsas or 2ct's. Any suggestions.?
on the rear you need less rebound damping (go softer) & more compression damping (go harder).

on the front i can see a bit of a lip forming at the leading edge so you need a bit more rebound damping (go harder).

go with the tires you're already familiar with, regular PP & PP2CT aren't much different except for the softer compound on the sides.
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Can someone help me out.
Went to fontana last weekend. Was about 95 degree air temp.
Running Pilot Powers, no tct. Ran 38 front and 37 rear, per michelin guys at the track.
Looks like the rear tires trailing lip is higher than the front. (too much compression?) No noticable raise in the fronts.
Going to fontana again 8-1. Thinking of getting diablo corsas or 2ct's. Any suggestions.?
wow, the Michelin guys told you that? are you sure? Hot or cold?

you might want to confirm those pressures though, i'm seeing minor cold tearing, which is why i ask about the high pressures...
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on the front i can see a bit of a lip forming at the leading edge so you need a bit more rebound damping (go harder)
I think on the front you're missing the lip on the trailing edge towards the edge. I think this is a two-for-one problem, what are the sag measurements on the bike?
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I was suprised about the tire pressure also.
Have been to 3 track days and always asked the michelin guy what pressure to run. They have always told me a pressure over 35 psi cold.
I know it sounded high to me as well.

Not sure on the sag. I had it setup 2 years ago at the track. Maybe I should check it again.
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