Anyone have a Car as fast as your bike?

[redlinernyc]

simply put...

up to 120ish 600s will own anything on the road. No one should really be racing over those speeds anyway so why does it matter?

[michaelwood]

I had a toyota tercel, that although would not beat the bike in ANY race (it did have a few mods) it could be more fun, simply because you could have fun in it with 4 other people in the car with you. E brake drifts, spinning the tires off the line, hair pins, etc. etc.

Check out this video, right near the end. Civic vs. CBR1000rr. Guess who wins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEyhhPfLf7M

[mike6001]

Originally Posted by 3L3C7R0

I'll just embed it for you but the video is worthless cause the rider isn't even really trying...

Well the guy is some 3 time british national champion or whatever it is they said, I don't know if he'd really want to go on TV and lose with all those people watching. Maybe, but I'd bet that he would be trying rather hard to not be "that guy that lost to the car on tv".

[wrk4ups (Stephen)]

lol lol lol lol You are a fuking spaz!!! We need to do a ride again soon...

Originally Posted by tenjin

my bike and car go the exact same speed they are parked ... so yes i do ;)

[Vacuumdog]

when doing 80, my car will easily overtake my bike... that is doing 70.

[jdm ej1 95]

mine. its a full AWE Stg3 S4 plus meth injection.

would be a good race against the 600rr but pulls in the higher speeds.

makes just shy of 450AWHP


Shot with Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XT at 2009-03-15

[Rokawa]

Originally Posted by scsi

dont know if anyone mentioned this but the great thing about bikes is you can go crazy fast and still get 40+mpg!!

+1.....:icon_lol:

[kidnplay01]

Originally Posted by nubi4Life

with a bone stock 600rr, my car will murder it. :)

DOUBT IT!!!

You have to launch the thing first, and Evo's are known for VERY VERY BAD LAUNCH..
Dont get me wrong I love them and have done rallying in them, but even as on Top Gear Uk they love them also but the launch is totally crap, lag is crap also. So unless your in the right gear, can launch it etc it has no hope against the bike.. And just cause you have HP doesnt mean its better nor faster..Porche 911 vs BMW M6..BMW massive HP 550BHP, 911 something like 360HP..Guess whom wins..Porche

And im yet to see a Evo do 0-60mph in mid 3's standard is like 4.5-5 with a avg driver in it(no professional)

watch the movie still from top gear, i recall its the end of it where it points out the downfalls of it like launch..
but still Evo lovers watch the movie, it rocks as even a Lamborghini Murcielago cant beat it around a track!! :)
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/evo-v-lambo-p1

[kidnplay01]

Originally Posted by pbeaul

Edit: lol, yea that video right above this post... haha didn't see it because I clicked reply but went to get some food.

They did a few, but Richard knew the only way to beat a bike was to race at a place with lots of corners and braking..The Nurburgring in Germany they did a race..
But given we are talking about ourselves and on the "road" the bike kills anything due to A)lane splitting B) No turbo lags affecting us compared to the car (given mostly turbod ones want to race) C) 90% clutch failure in a car D) Risk is less on a bike, we getaway easily..Cars are left with coppers keeping up with them and not being able to go down lanes etc :)

I love my cars and bikes but realistically a bike has way more advantages for racing and getaways..EXCEPT IN THE WET!! then we are SCREWED!!

[sweetaw]

Originally Posted by kidnplay01

DOUBT IT!!!

You have to launch the thing first, and Evo's are known for VERY VERY BAD LAUNCH..
Dont get me wrong I love them and have done rallying in them, but even as on Top Gear Uk they love them also but the launch is totally crap, lag is crap also. So unless your in the right gear, can launch it etc it has no hope against the bike.. And just cause you have HP doesnt mean its better nor faster..Porche 911 vs BMW M6..BMW massive HP 550BHP, 911 something like 360HP..Guess whom wins..Porche

And im yet to see a Evo do 0-60mph in mid 3's standard is like 4.5-5 with a avg driver in it(no professional)

watch the movie still from top gear, i recall its the end of it where it points out the downfalls of it like launch..
but still Evo lovers watch the movie, it rocks as even a Lambo Murchilago cant beat it around a track!! :)
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/evo-v-lambo-p1

The problem is he didn't define faster. Faster 0-60, diffidently not. Faster 1/4 mile maybe. 0-60 isn't a good measure of fast in a real race because it is less than 1/3 of the drag race on the 600rr. How many times have we seen a car at the strip launch waayyy hard only to have his opponent come around him on the big end before the stripe. It happens all the time especially against turbo cars. They lose on the jump, get killed on the 60 foot but catch there opponent in the second 1/8 to go by them like they are standing still. Once they have full boost they are like rockets.

[Tat2DTim]

Sry i dont have one of these little cars...I have true American muscle...

1970 Roadrunner with the original 426 HEMI and 25,000 original miles..Its is a rocket and will literally peel the tires off the rims....

[kalbo]

the question is... does anyone have a car that's as QUICK as their bikes?
on an open track a car might eventually be able to outrun any bike, but on the street? who here doesnt think that you can leave any cage in the dust, right off a traffic light?

[sweetaw]

Originally Posted by Tat2DTim

Sry i dont have one of these little cars...I have true American muscle...

1970 Roadrunner with the original 426 HEMI and 25,000 original miles..Its is a rocket and will literally peel the tires off the rims....

Are you saying your Roadrunner is faster than your bike?
If original means stock or close to stock it can't touch a 600rr. Even Hemi equipped they were only in the 13's though that is really fast for a stock car but nowhere near a 600rr. At over 4000 pounds it would probably take 100 more hp, traction and a good driver to outrun the bike down the 1/4 mile.

I like American muscle also but the 60's and 70's variety are so darn heavy in stock trim. My 82 Camaro is 3400 pounds with me in it.


(HP and weight numbers taken from this site http://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/...unner-hemi.htm)

[Gotcha365]

Just work out your bikes KW per tonne. You are looking at around 450 to 500 kw

[nubi4Life]

kidnplay what are you talking about? evos are know for ridiculously crazy fast launches. why do you think most cars wanna do a 40mph roll start on the evo. the power of all wheel drive.we murder pretty much anything off a stoplight. seriously, if i were to give you a ride in my car, ide make you doodoo yourself.i just dont like it when you talk about my wife like that. lol. by the way jdm.......sick car bro. i bet you wish you could take that thing to the autobahn

[Tat2DTim]

No im not saying that at all....First off i truely dont know and i dont plan on finding out..But yes she is a heavy SOB and yes she is fast and powerful but she is babied worst than my bike so she only gets out on special occassions....

[powermoose1]

Originally Posted by Tat2DTim

Sry i dont have one of these little cars...I have true American muscle...

1970 Roadrunner with the original 426 HEMI and 25,000 original miles..Its is a rocket and will literally peel the tires off the rims....

Now that is a sweet ride!

[NucleaRR]

FYI, the Aerial Atom is not street legal everywhere. You can only buy it in certains places. In the states you can only get it in certain states and even then it has to come with the transmission disconnected so that it is considered a 'kit car'. After that you can't title it anyway. While it would have a chance against a bike, it falls into that not a street car category.

[JJH007]

The Atom option list has a 'road pack'. I wonder what thats for?

[jdm ej1 95]

Originally Posted by nubi4Life

kidnplay what are you talking about? evos are know for ridiculously crazy fast launches. why do you think most cars wanna do a 40mph roll start on the evo. the power of all wheel drive.we murder pretty much anything off a stoplight. seriously, if i were to give you a ride in my car, ide make you doodoo yourself.i just dont like it when you talk about my wife like that. lol. by the way jdm.......sick car bro. i bet you wish you could take that thing to the autobahn

iut would be quite fun and im sure itd hit the 190mph top of 6th gear :P


but to the nay sayers... im pretty confident i can take any average rider on a stock to lightly modded 600rr in my car from a standstill

[pbeaul]

Originally Posted by jdm ej1 95

iut would be quite fun and im sure itd hit the 190mph top of 6th gear :P


but to the nay sayers... im pretty confident i can take any average rider on a stock to lightly modded 600rr in my car from a standstill

Can your car do an 11s 1/4mile? If so... your changes are pretty good.

[nubi4Life]

very nice confidence JDM 95. Much respect bro!

[mike6001]

Originally Posted by jdm ej1 95

mine. its a full AWE Stg3 S4 plus meth injection.

would be a good race against the 600rr but pulls in the higher speeds.

makes just shy of 450AWHP

I don't think it'd be that close in a quarter mile. Like I said I've dragged a 2008 viper srt-10 a bunch of times and won them all. I was running around 10.9's to his low 11's. The viper has 625hp at the crank and weighs 3480lbs.
If you're S4 has 450hp at the wheels that's maybe 530hp at the crank, and those are really heavy cars at like 3850lbs (the audi has a cast iron engine and 4seats/doors, making a car with a 2.7litre v6 weigh more than the viper with a huge 8.4 litre v-10).
So the viper has probably 100hp on you,weighs 400lbs less and it wasn't as fast as a 600rr in the quarter.

Your S4 would have to have a timeslip showing at least an 11.0 to be close to a decent rider on a 600 in the quarter, but since the viper with a lot less weight and more power was still a tenth short of an 11.0, I don't think your S4 would get there.

ex: http://www.dragtimes.com/Audi-S4-Timeslip-6528.html
s4 with basically the same hp (430hp at the wheels, AWE too) but he's gutted the car and is about 800lbs below stock and ran an 11.05. That'd get him close to a 600, and would beat one on a bad run.

[sweetaw]

Originally Posted by mike6001

I don't think it'd be that close in a quarter mile. Like I said I've dragged a 2008 viper srt-10 a bunch of times and won them all. I was running around 10.9's to his low 11's. The viper has 625hp at the crank and weighs 3480lbs.
If you're S4 has 450hp at the wheels that's maybe 530hp at the crank, and those are really heavy cars at like 3850lbs (the audi has a cast iron engine and 4seats/doors, making a car with a 2.7litre v6 weigh more than the viper with a huge 8.4 litre v-10).
So the viper has probably 100hp on you,weighs 400lbs less and it wasn't as fast as a 600rr in the quarter.

Your S4 would have to have a timeslip showing at least an 11.0 to be close to a decent rider on a 600 in the quarter, but since the viper with a lot less weight and more power was still a tenth short of an 11.0, I don't think your S4 would get there.

ex: s4 with basically the same hp (430hp at the wheels) but he's gutted the car and is about 800lbs below stock and ran an 11.05. That'd get him close to a 600, and would beat one on a bad run.

Well that is the problem with using just horsepower and weight. According to a drag calculator found here http://www.richmondgear.com/112901.html a 600 horse car at 3450 pounds should run 10.1 traction dependent. If he is running in the 11's he is capable of running faster could his car hook and launch well. If the S4 is running closer to his ideal time 10.8 (by the same calculator using 530 hp and 3850lbs) he could beat both the viper running 11's and a bike with a average rider. Drag racing high hp n/a cars is all about the 60ft. If you cant launch because your suspension wont hook you aren't running as fast as you could based on weight and power.

A 600hp car that spins the tires for 60 ft loses to a car with 530 and hooks well.

[mike6001]

Originally Posted by sweetaw

Well that is the problem with using just horsepower and weight. According to a drag calculator found here http://www.richmondgear.com/112901.html a 600 horse car at 3450 pounds should run 10.1 traction dependent. If he is running in the 11's he is capable of running faster could his car hook and launch well. If the S4 is running closer to his ideal time 10.8 (by the same calculator using 530 hp and 3850lbs) he could beat both the viper running 11's and a bike with a average rider. Drag racing high hp n/a cars is all about the 60ft. If you cant launch because your suspension wont hook you aren't running as fast as you could based on weight and power.

A 600hp car that spins the tires for 60 ft loses to a car with 530 and hooks well.

Yea, using calculators is just stupid. That isn't an "ideal time" it gives, it's a made up time.
Hell the factory advertises the viper as being able to do an 11.5, this guy was doing around 11.1 with some non-oem rubber (street tires still though, not drag radials even). He wasn't bad at getting the car down the track, that's just all it had in it.

Using that calculator you linked a 600rr at 410lbs + 160lbs for a rider and 118hp should do a 9.61. It doesn't. A stock 600rr at best is high 10's. Go to the track if you want to know how fast something is, don't look on the internet.
Saying that a 3400lbs 625 hp car did an 11.1, a 530hp 3800lbs car is going to be slower is a fairly safe bet.

[sweetaw]

I understand that calculators are unrealistic, I was using it to illustrate a point that the weight and hp of a vehicle is far from the only thing contributing to a 1/4 mile time. Traction is always the limiting factor and vipers in particular don't have the best rep for hooking up. If his car hooks, it very well might be faster down the track. I have been beaten by cars that hook harder than mine but have less hp. I am just saying 530hp to the ground is better than 600+ spinning down the track. Can we at least agree on that? You go to the track it seems so you have to have seen countless high hp cars not running the times they should because they can't get the power to the ground.

[brn6604]

I'm embarrassed to say I ran about the same lap times at Midohio in my ITA CRX as I have thus far on the 600rr - I'm working on it though. That car did 15.3 in the 1/4...

[1ofakindRR]

Originally Posted by redlinernyc

simply put...

up to 120ish 600s will own anything on the road. No one should really be racing over those speeds anyway so why does it matter?

Here's a link to shut you up. This race is from 40 to infinity. My buddies ZX-10R couldn't keep up with this DSM Monster. GT-35R HTA w/ just above 40PSI of boost. E85 and locked diff. He raped a busa and a CBR 1k. Now granted, my buddy cannot shift a bike to save his life but it shouldn't matter with a ZX-10R. The other ZX-10R is tuned on E85 and can't keep up.

One vid:
Outlaw+vs+Jackel
The single ZX-10R

Outlaw+vs+ZX10R

Welcome to Colorado.

[1ofakindRR]

Here's the last vid.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/s...-of_141513.htm

[pbeaul]

Originally Posted by 1ofakindRR

Here's a link to shut you up. This race is from 40 to infinity. My buddies ZX-10R couldn't keep up with this DSM Monster. GT-35R HTA w/ just above 40PSI of boost. E85 and locked diff. He raped a busa and a CBR 1k. Now granted, my buddy cannot shift a bike to save his life but it shouldn't matter with a ZX-10R. The other ZX-10R is tuned on E85 and can't keep up.

Welcome to Colorado.

Wow, 40+ PSI of boost? What altitudes are these at?

A naturally aspirated engine is at a great disadvantage against a forced induction engine at high altitude... Good run, but I'd like to see the same thing at sea level.