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Old 01-10-2012, 10:51 PM   #1
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600 vs. 1000, realistically

Sorry for so many threads lately but they are different..

Ok, (I know i'm talkin to the 600 guys so it will be biased but...) I live in HI and am trying to debate between a 07+ 600RR, or an 08+ 1000RR... We currently do not have a track here, riding is limited to the island and there is plenty of twisties and turns.

The 07+ 600's have a good amount of power and handle excellent, but the 1000's have that much more power and handling is near as good but they are heavier.

Realistically speaking, the 600 gets better gas mileage, is extremely fast for HI since there is no track here, has cheaper insurance, cost about 1K cheaper upfront, and is lighter for the turns.

The 1000 has about 40-50 more HP at the wheel and that coolness factor.

What do you guys think? Why is it that you ride a 600 over a liter bike?

What differences am I missing?
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I don't ride a bike for the coolness factor. I ride cause I enjoy it. I like the 600 cause its practical. I have no reason to go 180 on the street so y would u want a liter bike for the street. Worse handling, worse milaige and higher insurance. Seems like a simple decision.
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I guess it depends on ur experience. I mean the 600 has plenty of power, its light as hell, and it handles very good. The 1000 just seems to be to much.... Too much power that is, especially if riding is limited on the island like you said. You really need to be an excellent rider and alot of space to really open those 1000's up. My friend wanted a 1000 for the street and now he is selling it bc its too much power for him and he cannot open it up anywhere unless ur on the highway. In my opinion i would go for the 600 without a doubt.
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[/QUOTE] The 1000 has about 40-50 more HP at the wheel and that coolness factor[/QUOTE]

If you getting it for the coolness factor your buying the wrong bike. Shop for a r1 or a gsx-r!!
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I think there is no reason you should get a bike that has even more power than a modern 600 considering you'll never touch its potential in all of the Hawaiian islands. As a street only bike, it's pointless when you'll never even use a 600's full potential let alone the larger displacement and hp on a 1000.
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Yea you lost me when I read the "coolness factor" part. Guys who buy bikes to get laid usually end up in the hospital. I think you should really rethink your priorities before buying a bike at all my friend. You sound like your looking to get your self hurt before you even step on either of these bikes.
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haha, buying a liter bike vs. a 600 to get laid is pointless, no girl knows the difference between the two. The coolness factor is knowing that the bike is the baddest thing on the street, but thats not for the chicks, You buy a ducati for the chicks haha.

and ya i guess your right, there is no purpose in getting a liter bike without a track here. I was just trying to think of reasons why the liter bike is better than the 600, and the coolness factor to say to your friends you have a liter over a 600 is what i was thinking of... but i don't think i would ever use the potential of the liter bike... I never even got my "outdated" 600 up to full speed.

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The only reason I considered a 1K over a 600 here in Hawaii is for the low end/midrange advantage. Ultimately I decided against it since they are more expensive to buy and insure, and a simple sprocket change will pick up that bottom end on my 600.


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I do not even think a 1K has that much better low end/mid range than a 600. I thought 1K's were alot better top end.
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750>600



I recently got a '11 gsxr750 to replace my '07 600rr (for sale) and I cant be happier.
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I do not even think a 1K has that much better low end/mid range than a 600. I thought 1K's were alot better top end.
Honda's 1k is known for its midrange. If you compare it to other 1ks, it is no where near the same peak but it makes up for it in overall area under the power curve. Realistically I think you should sit on/ride both if that's at all possible. See which you like better. You've said it yourself, that there are no racetracks so its not like the bhp, top speed, or accel specs mean anything on the road. It'll be your preference. With less experience the 600 will probably be easier to ride but with all the technology in these things, the 1000 wouldn't be too much as long as you don't jump into the deep end when riding it. Either way on the Honda you can't go wrong, just carry around a quart of oil on the 1000
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I really like the sides of the GSXR (from lower belly fairings up to gas tank) but the front end and rear fender are so god awefully ugly.. What is up with there headlights. Not knocking ur bike suzuki joe its def sick, just my personal opinion.
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Ya, i never liked the Cyclops Eye of the GSXR's or the turtle head's of the R1/6's... Some of the Kawi's look nice and the 07+ Cbr's are my fav looking (everyones opinion varies, alot of people love the looks of the R6)

And tomorrow I am goign to check out an 06 CBR1000RR, i'll see if he'll let me test ride it and get a feel for it. I never had a need for more power with my old 600 but didnt really like how it looked and wanted some of the newer cool features on the new 600's so i sold it. (Inverted forks, better suspension, brakes, lighter, Fuel Injection!, etc)

i'll prob end up getting a 600 again though, When i move back to the mainland if near a track and after some more riding expirence under my belt i'll prob move up to the liter bike just to test it out for a couple years and see what i like better.

I test road an R6 though, those things have absolute no midrange compared to the CBR's i tested... My 07 ZZR600 had way better mid then the R6!, but when you get them past the 10000 RPM mark those R6's scream! Didn't seem to practical on the street, and they are way more uncomfortable than the CBR's i sat on.
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sounds like the OP has already made up his mind, having listed various perfectly logical and reasonable things that show the 600 as being a better idea than the 1000.

get your 600 and youll love it, its all you need and more. itll be a long time before you can exceed the capabilities of a modern 600.
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How about you jump on a 600 and open up the throttle.. Then see how much more power you need. Youll be surprised.

but on another note I have only liked 07+ r6's and 07+ CBR's. Never liked the r1 bug eye look or the gsxr head light either.
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Having had both the R6 and the CBR I can honestly say they are both great, but with very different mannerisms. The fit/finish/reliability of the CBR as well as the solid feel in the corners is awesome. The R6 is...just confidence inspiring for me personally,the bike turns quickly with little effort. The prob with the R6 is you have to ride it harder..it's just not as good for the street.

You are going to learn more and ride better on a machine you aren't scared of. If I was only concerned with commuting, I'd get the 1K. Since I really want to learn to ride better I chose the 600. If I had the money (and a track nearby)I'd have a 250R to improve on long before I tracked the 600.


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Ya i agree, Def going to stick with the 600 class. Thanks for helping me make up my mind. Everytime I talk to someone with a liter bike (alot of guys i ride with) they tell me they are happy they switched and I should switch as well. Thats why I am so confused about it. But i guess everyone's perspectives of what you need varies.
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If you mean they are glad they switched to 1ks you have to remember some guys just like to brag about their bike. I have a ton of guys who have 1ks after having a 600 for 3 months and talk all this bike talk and talk big about their bikes and their skill and Ive seen them ride and now that I know more their form is horrible and they have almost no skill and the only time they are happy their switched is when the drag race cars on the street because it has more power. Other than the speed for looking like cool guys they don't use half of the bikes potential. (funny is all 4 of them have gsxrs reason I understand all the gsxr hate)

For your use I think the 600 should be fine. The 1k sound like over kill and is going to wreck the bank for no reason at all.
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We shouldn't have to make your decisions for you, you've obviously done a little research behind them. Test ride and see which one you like the most.
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I love my 600RR on the track but this kicks it's ass on the street.



Make all the excuses you want but this bike feels as light and small as a 600 and the 1000CC V4 sings to me everywhere I go.

I'll guarantee a lot of people in this thread will be on liter bikes soon enough and saying completely different things, You defend having the 600 because that's what you have now.
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I love my 600RR on the track but this kicks it's ass on the street.


Make all the excuses you want but this bike feels as light and small as a 600 and the 1000CC V4 sings to me everywhere I go.

I'll guarantee a lot of people in this thread will be on liter bikes soon enough and saying completely different things, You defend having the 600 because that's what you have now.
I have to agree with this. I bought the 600 because it was my first bike and the most affordable at this point, but ultimately when I have some experience and money I will eventually be getting a 1000.
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having had a few 600's before, I'll pour some more gasoline in the fire:
how about a 1000 V twin? They have power like modern 750s and despite being heavier than the current middleweight crop of bikes, are great on the street. Lower rpm and smoother power delivery, make corner exits and on/off ramps your playground and they sure sound amazing.

If you still like inline 4s then a 750 is a great all rounder, has a ton of power, but not overwhelming in the twisties, and so light!

Generally speaking, if you are commuting, and riding the street, the bigger bike will be a more relaxing ride. you wont need to rip on it to get solid power, and the extra weight will help over road imperfections.

All the bikes you're talking about are super-sports - aka race bikes with lights. not exactly the perfect street machines. there are street dedicated machines that will be more comfortable, have great torque and gas mileage, be more forgiving and much cheaper to own. they are called sport tourers, they come in different sizes and shapes. from 600-1400 engine sizes and vary in weight and purpose.

my street only bike is a sports tourer, and i have no problems keeping up with any of my friends on 600s 750s 1000s on the street, where none of us should ride above 70-80% anyways. and i am more comfortable, get better gas mileage and pay half in insurance then they do. while having all the same fun. sure they are not as cool as a race replica, but that's a different story. :)

either way man, ride as many bikes as you can, life is too short to own one bike.
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I have to agree with this. I bought the 600 because it was my first bike and the most affordable at this point, but ultimately when I have some experience and money I will eventually be getting a 1000.
X100000000. I agree 100%, although my 600 isn't my first bike. it is my first sport bike, i seriously looked into 1k's when shopping for a bike. but at the time it wasn't there financially. don't get me wrong i LOVE my RR, but if you don't try other brands/size you'll never know what you truly like and want.
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I love all displacements equally. Even the lackluster carbed 250's and 500's. But if you're coming off a carbed bike, any new sport 600 will be like Ferrari lol.
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I'd say it depends on your experience. Have you ridden much? If it's a first bike a 600 is way more than you'll need for a while.

Ultimately it depends what you want though. If you want a liter bike get one.

And yes, bikes are cool. No matter what people say that's part of why we ride. It's one of the most enjoyable things I can do with my pants on.
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