I still like Rick Santorum, even though I am an Atheist. He, along with RP seem like the only one whose in it for the right reasons, to try to fix this country, not for the fame or fortune.
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I still like Rick Santorum, even though I am an Atheist. He, along with RP seem like the only one whose in it for the right reasons, to try to fix this country, not for the fame or fortune.
santorum huh?
why is santorum better than RP in your opinion?
imo he does the same kind of back and forth actions as romney, if he is president he will not address the deficit spending issues, and he is not a believer in the individual liberties... from my point of view, he is quite crazy.
"he still supports the idea that non citizens should be able to be held with out trial. imo that is un american.
individual liberties, and innocent until proven guilty are american values that we should keep imo."
You're asking that the rights of American citizens be applied to people in this country who are breaking the law by illegally living in this country? They are not American citiziens, therefore, not guaranteed the same rights as American citizens. Every man has human rights that shall not be violated, but if you are not an American citizen, why do you believe they should be guarateed those rights? You're correct, individual liberties, being innocent until proven guilty are American values, not for people living in this country illegally. If they are a non-citizen found in this country, technically they are breaking the law, correct? I am not sure what kind of argument you are trying to make. The fact we should not hold any criminal for any period of time without a trial?
You're asking that the rights of American citizens be applied to people in this country who are breaking the law by illegally living in this country? They are not American citiziens, therefore, not guaranteed the same rights as American citizens. Every man has human rights that shall not be violated, but if you are not an American citizen, why do you believe they should be guarateed those rights? You're correct, individual liberties, being innocent until proven guilty are American values, not for people living in this country illegally. If they are a non-citizen found in this country, technically they are breaking the law, correct? I am not sure what kind of argument you are trying to make. The fact we should not hold any criminal for any period of time without a trial?
I like that mental leap you make, non-citizen = illegal... It shows a lot about your bias on the subject. Has it ever occurred to you that not all non-citizens are illegals? You know, tourists, students on visas, workers on green cards/working visas... and a whole **** load of other perfectly LEGAL reasons for being in the country.
Which "rights" are you referring to that American citizens should have that non-citizens shouldn't? What is the legal basis for arguing that non-citizens shouldn't be afforded most of the same rights afforded to citizens?
What part of the constitution says that non-citizens are exempt from its provisions?
So all the drug smuggling non-citizens I catch should be released?
The same people that say they have the same rights as citizens of this beautiful country also say that since I didn't catch him with the dope ON his back, he is not a drug smuggler. Nevermind he was hiding 10 meters from it and was covered in burlap strands and bore strap marks on his back. Just a coincidence.
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So all the drug smuggling non-citizens I catch should be released?
The same people that say they have the same rights as citizens of this beautiful country also say that since I didn't catch him with the dope ON his back, he is not a drug smuggler. Nevermind he was hiding 10 meters from it and was covered in burlap strands and bore strap marks on his back. Just a coincidence.
WTF kind of pathetic straw man argument is that? So if a citizen was caught in the same circumstances his "rights" would force your hand into having to let him go? Is this what you're trying to infer with that retarded comment?
Seriously, instead of making up retarded arguments, maybe you should think through those ideas a little more.
More importantly, "having to let someone go" because you don't have the evidence to prosecute someone is not even in the same ballpark as "holding someone indefinitely without rights to due process". Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE should have the right to defend themselves against their accuser.
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I'm saying saying that regardless of citizenship if I catch you with a dope load you shouldn't walk. You we more likely to walk if you are in my beautiful country illegally.
And I don't know anybody that is being held indefinitely, save those accused of terrorism. We are letting more illegal aliens go than we are prosecuting.
And finding a 50 pound bundle of dope 10 meters from where "Juan" is hiding in the middle of nowhere Arizona is more than enough evidence to link Juanito to the dope. You say it isn't?
Oh, and WTF are you? IT consultant? WTF do you know about what is going on?
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I'm saying saying that regardless of citizenship if I catch you with a dope load you shouldn't walk. You we more likely to walk if you are in my beautiful country illegally.
And I don't know anybody that is being held indefinitely, save those accused of terrorism. We are letting more illegal aliens go than we are prosecuting.
And finding a 50 pound bundle of dope 10 meters from where "Juan" is hiding in the middle of nowhere Arizona is more than enough evidence to link Juanito to the dope. You say it isn't?
Oh, and WTF are you? IT consultant? WTF do you know about what is going on?
with all due respect, if you job is to catch drug runners, what a waste man.
drugs should NOT be illegal in the first place, you wont have fukers funning drugs and killing people over them at that point. your job, irrelevant.
before you start blabbing about how wrong i am about my notion to legalize drugs...
Also, remember Mr. face eating zombie man from Florida? After toxicology all they found in his system was weed.
You really think Heroin should be legal? Wow.
This has gotten off topic. My fault.
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I'm saying saying that regardless of citizenship if I catch you with a dope load you shouldn't walk. You we more likely to walk if you are in my beautiful country illegally.
But why? Are there laws telling you that you have to let the illegals go? Or is the system understaffed to deal with the problem... because management (all the way up to the president) is too lazy to properly deal with the problem?
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And I don't know anybody that is being held indefinitely, save those accused of terrorism. We are letting more illegal aliens go than we are prosecuting.
For now, because Guantanamo is some kind of bullsh*t legal no-mans land, they are trying to extend some of the legal loop holes that exist at Guantanamo to the rest of the USA.
What goes on at Guantanamo is despicable, and goes against just about everything the USA is supposed to stands for. Kidnapping innocent people from their homes in foreign countries and locking them up, torturing them for years without trial will go down in history as one of the dumbest things the USA has done.
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And finding a 50 pound bundle of dope 10 meters from where "Juan" is hiding in the middle of nowhere Arizona is more than enough evidence to link Juanito to the dope. You say it isn't?
Not sure how you came to that conclusion based on my previous comments. I say do your jobs, collect the evidence, charge the individual and let them have their day in court. I don't think citizenship should play much of a role, if you committed a crime you should be held accountable.
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Oh, and WTF are you? IT consultant? WTF do you know about what is going on?
I was arguing how f^cked up the idea of indefinitely detention was... Which is incidentally what the previous comment and video were about. You took this thread off into the illegal drug smuggler direction, implying that they get special treatment because they are illegals, not anyone else.
I guess I've just had a few days at work that have really got me going.
The system is very understaffed both on enforcement and prosecution.
My intention in pointing out my particular struggles with this current administration was to do just that, point out what this current administration is doing.
And in opinion there is no difference between armed combatants in the sandbox and armed rip crews running around Arizona. Both are highly trained and armed. I'd be more worried about those guys that are actually running around this beautiful country of ours. But everybody seems content to ignore it. Even worse, Obama just stepped in and stopped the truth from being unveiled with regards to Fast and Furious. That agent was killed where I work. Killed by those same armed individuals that everybody is ignoring.
Killed doing a job that somebody just said was, a waste.
Shame on you.
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Since when did changing your opinion of something based off new information presented to you become such a bad thing?
Who in this world can honestly say they've never changed their opinion on something? Why does that automatically brand him as a flip-flopper?
Don't get me wrong I'm not a huge fan of this guy but I think if we are going to try to discredit people we should at least have some solid substance other then he changed his opinion on certain topics.
I'm voting for my self as president because looking at the lineup I feel I'm as equally qualified as the rest of them. I do have a one up on Obama though seeing as I have a brain and he does not.
Under Romney’s leadership, Massachusetts manufacturing declined by double the national rate, and was the third-worst overall in the country.
Governor Romney left behind a $1 billion budget deficit for the next governor and saddled Massachusetts taxpayers with more debt per person than any other state.
During Romney’s term as governor, state budget spending increased every single year.
The Washington Post reports that as CEO, Mitt Romney advised companies that were “pioneers” in outsourcing jobs overseas. As governor, Romney drew from the same playbook and outsourced state jobs. And today, Romney has proposed eliminating all taxes on companies’ foreign profits—which would actually encourage companies to send jobs overseas
Jobs. 47th out of 50 states in job creation
Taxes and Fees. Increased by $750 million per year.
Long term debt. Increased more than $2.6 billion.
Bain Capital recently bought a Chinese video-surveillance company reportedly “used to intimidate and monitor political and religious dissidents."
Romney is still paid by Bain Capital.
Here's how a Romney style equity predation works;
1. Uses his position to get 'investment' money that isn't his own so he can;
2. Buy up companies with 'invested' money to wring a profit from;
3. Squeeze out profits by cutting costs, i.e. destroying employees lives by firing workers and the alleviation benefits including pensions;
4. Using the company as collateral to borrow money from banks and deducting that interest from the taxes, showing a falsely inflated profit for that company;
5. Getting the company to pay a special dividend to repay the original investors and a bonus for himself. Everything from here on out is gravy;
6. They sell the now 'profitable' company for more than they paid an pocket 20% of the gains from the sale, capital gains that they pay a lower tax rate on. That's the scam, because the lower rate is supposed to be an incentive for people to risk their own money to improve the state of the nation.
The worst thing about these folks who game the tax code is that you and I wind up paying for the unemployment or retraining or pension replacement or making up for their interest deductions.
That's what Romney did at Bain, move the burden of the financial game onto the backs of common folk who don't like a fixed game, folks like you and me.
It sucks that we'll be left with Mitt or Barack to vote for. Bout like choosing between getting shot in the head or in the heart. It's sad to see how corroded and corrupt our political system has become, even in my lifetime. Lack of a good decision is the cause of voter apathy.
End one of my few political rants.
Writing in RP.....
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