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Old 09-19-2012, 02:47 PM   #1
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600cc vs 1000cc

Why do you ride a 600? Do you see it as a stepping stone to a 1000?

I have owned 1000s and I just like 600rr better than any other bike. It is faster than I ever need it to be, and still surprises me if I haven't ridden in a while. Other than bragging rights, which I do not care about, I see no reason to pay more for gas, more for insurance, increase the likelihood of theft, and tempt myself even more to ride at dangerous speeds.
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Torque etc, 400cc's go faster than you need, why do you have a 600cc? Neverending argument here...perhaps something different to all the 600vs1000 is if you share why you went DOWN to 600 FROM 1000 :)

For street i'd prefer 1000cc its easier using that powerband than revving a 600 on the way to work in the morning.
I guess what I am asking is why do you ride a 600 instead of a 1000?

I had a guy trying to lowball me on my 600 for sale and was like "I would never pay more than $4000 for a 600, it's a girls bike"

The ignorance amazed me so I am wondering why others choose to ride the 600 instead of a 1000. I didn't like that on the 1000 if I even rolled onto the throttle all the way in first it would lift up. If I hammered it in second it would come up too. Just a bit excessive for the riding I do. I usually ride my 250 anyway
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:03 PM   #3
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600 is plenty for me and with -1 +2 gearing no need to rev the piss it gets up and goes...
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Ive never owned a 1K, only 6's although i'm considering the new CBR1K as my possible next bike. I've heard from many incl br above having a 1K is a bit better for "street" / "commuting" as he mentioned more low end torque (not as high in the rpm range vs a six) that being said im also highly considering staying in the 600 class with either the next Gen RR ? or stepping it up a notch w the 675R. So to answer your question why a six now and not a 1k - i wanted some exp / years and seat time with a six plus 1K is more $ , more insurance etc.
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600 is plenty for me and with -1 +2 gearing no need to rev the piss it gets up and goes...
haha this is true but in sixth gear doing approx 120km/hr at just under 8000rpm's it's "slighty" higher im guessing than a 1K lol
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If my d!ck shrinks I'm def going to need a liter bike. If it gets real small I'll probably go with a 'busa.
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Why do I ride a 600?

I like the agility in the 600. I like what it teaches me about corner speed. I like how it lets me get on the throttle sooner, brake later, corner faster.

When getting off the 1000 and hopping on the 600, it's like flicking around a toy! So much fun!
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Why do I ride a 600?

I like the agility in the 600. I like what it teaches me about corner speed. I like how it lets me get on the throttle sooner, brake later, corner faster.

When getting off the 1000 and hopping on the 600, it's like flicking around a toy! So much fun!

the newer 1K,s on the street feel damn near as flickable. ive owned a plethora of bikes. the 08 up cbr 1K feels as light under my ass at the 600F4i i have. my RSV1000r weighs more but with the torque of the V twin, i have no issues flipping it from side to side using the throttle to stand the bike upright when needed.

this is more of a personal preference question IMO. asking it on a 600cc board will get you a different answer then if you asked it on the 1000rr.net board.
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I will probably never need a bike faster then a 600 - this is plenty of fun but i would appreciate a little more low end torque for street riding.
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Yeah but I bet on the 1000 board the answers would not be nearly as useful. They would say things like "I need the extra torque" or "I don't wear a dress"

600s have more than enough torque and I hate people who think the 1000 is the only bike to have once you're experienced. Idiots.
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Given an opportunity to switch to a 1k, I would. 600 is great for what it is, but there is no replacement for displacement as they say.

And many of the newer liter bikes now are excellent both for the street and track (zx10r, bmw, honda 1k, etc)
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It's stupid to say you need a 1000 for the street. A 600 is plenty of power for the street. Ever notice how much quicker you get off the line or accelerate than other vehicles? The reason most of us buy the 600cc sport bikes, I think, is because there isn't really another sporty option out there. You can get 400's but they're a different type of bike really, unless you look at older bikes. These bikes were really meant to be on the track, whether you look at a supersport or superbike.
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Yeah but I bet on the 1000 board the answers would not be nearly as useful. They would say things like "I need the extra torque" or "I don't wear a dress"

600s have more than enough torque and I hate people who think the 1000 is the only bike to have once you're experienced. Idiots.

how many bikes have you owned? and how many have you rode?

bootsie.. its not stupid. its your opinion that a 600cc is perfect for the street.


i prefer a 1k for the street. i find they fit me better and are my preferred sport bike. i have been thinking of getting an 848 to get a mix between the 2. for the track hands down a 600 is perfect for me.
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the newer 1K,s on the street feel damn near as flickable. ive owned a plethora of bikes. the 08 up cbr 1K feels as light under my ass at the 600F4i i have. my RSV1000r weighs more but with the torque of the V twin, i have no issues flipping it from side to side using the throttle to stand the bike upright when needed.

this is more of a personal preference question IMO. asking it on a 600cc board will get you a different answer then if you asked it on the 1000rr.net board.
It is very flick-able, the only real difference is at speed, because of the rotating mass.

Come into T3 at JGP or T1 at HMS on a 1000 and you feel that difference! That rotating mass is VERY tough to "flick" into a corner that that velocity.

But you'd get the same answer from me over there too ;) lol
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It's stupid to say you need a 1000 for the street. A 600 is plenty of power for the street.
It's stupid to assume your opinion has anything to do with anybody else.
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Old 09-20-2012, 08:36 AM   #16
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It's stupid to assume your opinion has anything to do with anybody else.
slow down X. he was asked his opinion by the OP. everybody gets an opportunity to speak, including you X.

i agree it has no merit to advise a 1k for anything really, other than an ego/experience thing. someday i will want the 1k and probably ride it but for now the 600 makes me stupid way too many times so im sticking to it for street.
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It was a stepping stone for me. The curiosity of how hondas 1000rr would be as my commuter just got too much and I had to get one. 600rr was definately enough and I wish I could have kept both.
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It was a stepping stone for me. The curiosity of how hondas 1000rr would be as my commuter just got too much and I had to get one. 600rr was definately enough and I wish I could have kept both.

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I ride track only nowadays.

I have no urge to step up yet.

Nothing better than getting the paint sucked off the bike by a 1k on a straightaway, and then passing them on the outside of the next turn and never seeing them again the whole session.

Once I feel I have sucked every ounce of capability out of a 600cc (which will be never) I will seriously consider moving up, until then, I have way too much fun pushing harder and harder with the 600.
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It's stupid to assume your opinion has anything to do with anybody else.
It doesn't... That's why it's my opinion.

I can see once a rider reaches the limits of their 600 that they would want to bump up to a 1000cc bike, but at that point both would be fun for different reasons. By then it would probably be nice to be on a 1000 for that extra power in the straights. Or the thrill of more power on the street.
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how many bikes have you owned? and how many have you rode?

bootsie.. its not stupid. its your opinion that a 600cc is perfect for the street.


i prefer a 1k for the street. i find they fit me better and are my preferred sport bike. i have been thinking of getting an 848 to get a mix between the 2. for the track hands down a 600 is perfect for me.
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Why I ride a 600 is because I have never owned a superbike and didn't want to get ahead of myself. You know what everyone tells you about liter bikes "thats a lot of power, can get yourself into trouble" and "their big boy bike and weigh a lot more and have soo much power". I know I know! False info but when you're a noob and don't know any better... Also sitting on an R1 as my first liter bike didnt help. R1's are very tall and that gave it larger image to me, which I relize was purely psychological now. Thats how I thought all liter bikes were. It wasn't until I sat on a ZX-10R and was completely comfortable did I relize how wrong I was. Then got to test drive a 1000RR and relized I could have easily controlled the power of a 1000 and relized all the BS I had been listening too.

Do I regret not buying a 1000RR?? Yes and no. No because my 600RR is a beautiful bike that turns heads and does exactly what I want. Yes, because you always know in the back of your mind that you could have had that liter bike and theres something more powerful than what you have. Also the liter bikes tend to have a lot more features than the 600's. Like the new ZX-10R has traction control, slipper clutch, bigger piston forks, bigger brakes ( I know not always better), and list goes on.
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Ive never owned a 1K, only 6's although i'm considering the new CBR1K as my possible next bike. I've heard from many incl br above having a 1K is a bit better for "street" / "commuting" as he mentioned more low end torque (not as high in the rpm range vs a six) that being said im also highly considering staying in the 600 class with either the next Gen RR ? or stepping it up a notch w the 675R. So to answer your question why a six now and not a 1k - i wanted some exp / years and seat time with a six plus 1K is more $ , more insurance etc.
A 600 will accelerate off of idle faster than most cars. I've never understood people that say a 600 isn't as street able. How fast do you really need to accelerate to the next red light?
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I went from a 2005 600, to a 2005 1000 to a 2009 600,

I went back to the 600 because it was more comfortable, lighter weight, cheaper insurance, better gas mileage, cooler (AZ summers that matters)... list goes on.

Never has the 600 failed me by being too slow in traffic. Never have I wished I had a 1000 again.
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It's stupid to say you need a 1000 for the street. A 600 is plenty of power for the street. Ever notice how much quicker you get off the line or accelerate than other vehicles?
Some of you might disagree with Boostises way of saying this, but I basically agree with him. If you think you need more power for the street, you should probably reconsider your driving habits. There's no way that a supersport 600 doesn't have enough power. As for needing to twist your wrist off, I don't buy that either. It's just not true. Get on a really small displacement bike that actually requires frequent shifting in the city and you'll know what this really means. I barely get out of 2nd in the city and only put it into 3rd when I see a stretch of road with no lights or expect all greens. I guess a 1K could be better on the highway for keeping the RPMs down and for comfort for some of us. If you roll with a passenger a lot, it would be helpful, too.

Personally, I got a 600 because I'm quite short and the 1Ks always felt a little too big. The reduction in weight, even if a little, is helpful and the lower insurance costs are a benefit. I'm hoping to go to the track someday, but mostly ride on the street so I don't see any need at all for 1000cc.

Maybe some of the guys who like litre bikes for the street can explain in more detail exactly what the advantages are (like Crash277 did) and why they think a 600 can't do that?

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Old 09-22-2012, 02:32 PM   #29
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We ride cbr600rr's, right? We like agile, pointlessly fast bikes. A 600rr is too fast, so a 1000 is obviously too fast as wel. But think about it, is it that hard to understand? These things are fun and they are mostly for our enjoyment. Face it, we all like straight line speed, if that's not the case we would have bought 250s or sv650 or something else. A 1000 is just what we love, just MORE.

I personally prefer my 600rr mostly because of the high revving engine and the balance of this bike. The 2008+ cbr1000rr is a fantastic bike and feels Damn near as agile. The only thing I don't like is the bike feels like it pivots more on the rear due to the wider tire.

Ride a clean 1000, one that's been taken care of. They are very nice machines and can be a better deal than a 600.

Sorry for spelling and grammatical errors, on on my phone :D
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Old 09-22-2012, 03:42 PM   #30
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seriously, wow! too much blah blah blah yada yada yada in here.

doesnt matter what cc it is. what matters is you get what you want and what your money pays for.
but most importantly ENJOY the 2wheel riding as safely as your riding abilities merits and allows!!
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