so the 2013 cbr msrp should be lower than the rest of 600s. if u look at all the features on the other bikes: slipper clutch, three mode throttle mapping, traction control, adjustable rear sets, name brand brakes(brembo), adjustable intake runners, horse power. HONDA is at the bottom. so why pay the same for a inferior product, when for the same price you can get so much more with another brand of bike. the only way honda can compete with the better bikes is by lowering their MSRP. sorry to say but if hondas cbr 600rr msrp is more than 10,500 i am going to another brand. sorry honda you fell to far behind.
or just wait till honda has their big bonus bucks sale and there's leftovers on the floor,
thats how I got my brand new 09 for $6900
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cbr604, you're a douche. NOBODY said anything offensive or disrespectful and you come off with blatent ignorance. Don't kill yourself on your bike. Spare the machine. Its obvious you're a wanna be E-Thug. Your mother should have swallowed you.
MSRP isnt based on what feature set they offer versus other motorcycle companies. It is based on what people are willing to pay, Hondas have a goo reputation for not only longevity but for best fit and finish. There are a lot of people who will pay a premium for both of those, just look at cars and Hondas and Toyotas.
I was truck shopping last year and for the price I paid for my Tacoma I could have gotten a loaded chevrolet colorado or nissan frontier. But Tacomas have the reputation, the insane resale value, and the fit and finish, yet doesnt have nearly the features the other 2 vehicles offer.
It is the same way with the Honda vs the other companies.
so the 2013 cbr msrp should be lower than the rest of 600s. if u look at all the features on the other bikes: slipper clutch, three mode throttle mapping, traction control, adjustable rear sets, name brand brakes(brembo), adjustable intake runners, horse power. HONDA is at the bottom. so why pay the same for a inferior product, when for the same price you can get so much more with another brand of bike. the only way honda can compete with the better bikes is by lowering their MSRP. sorry to say but if hondas cbr 600rr msrp is more than 10,500 i am going to another brand. sorry honda you fell to far behind.
The Honda has always been on the high end for the 600s.
The OEM Brembos on the 600s are nothing fancy. People pay for Honda's because of build quality and they don't care as much about the other features you listed.
or just wait till honda has their big bonus bucks sale and there's leftovers on the floor,
thats how I got my brand new 09 for $6900
Man, that's reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeediculous! I paid just under 10K for a used '09, same color scheme as yours, with ABS and a couple of nice mods added. You could say I got screwed and I would say the same if I lived in the USA, but that's what the prices are like here in Italy, and they're worse in other countries.
On topic, I think you'd be a fool to buy a Honda if the prices are so high on the new models as the OP suggested. The new Kawi is awesome. I might still go for Honda for reliability and what will probably still be a higher quality, but their prices are getting a little silly and an MV Agusta F3 goes for less than the RR, while the Ducati 848 goes for just a slightly higher MSRP here (less than a 15% difference if I remember correctly, but obviously other factors to consider), although they never offer deals and Honda tends to drop it's prices once they hit the dealers.
I love my Honda and have had 3 Honda bikes, but I'm not really brand loyal - I repeated purchases because the bikes never let me down. I had 2 in Japan - a CB400 and a 600RR, but the RR was the cheapest there as a new bike because it was the only one on the market - all the other 600s had to be "reverse imported" (as they told me) from the USA or Europe, pushing up prices. I'd love a change just to get a better sense of other bikes and Honda's new ones aren't exactly inspiring me.
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Man, that's reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeediculous! I paid just under 10K for a used '09, same color scheme as yours, with ABS and a couple of nice mods added. You could say I got screwed and I would say the same if I lived in the USA, but that's what the prices are like here in Italy, and they're worse in other countries.
On topic, I think you'd be a fool to buy a Honda if the prices are so high on the new models as the OP suggested. The new Kawi is awesome. I might still go for Honda for reliability and what will probably still be a higher quality, but their prices are getting a little silly and an MV Agusta F3 goes for less than the RR, while the Ducati 848 goes for just a slightly higher MSRP here (less than a 15% difference if I remember correctly, but obviously other factors to consider), although they never offer deals and Honda tends to drop it's prices once they hit the dealers.
I love my Honda and have had 3 Honda bikes, but I'm not really brand loyal - I repeated purchases because the bikes never let me down. I had 2 in Japan - a CB400 and a 600RR, but the RR was the cheapest there as a new bike because it was the only one on the market - all the other 600s had to be "reverse imported" (as they told me) from the USA or Europe, pushing up prices. I'd love a change just to get a better sense of other bikes and Honda's new ones aren't exactly inspiring me.
Yes location is a big thing, the price difference from Coast to Coast is substantial especially when it comes to the leftover and used models here.
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I'm buying the 2013. Just waiting for it to come in. If you need all that wiz bang crap on your bike then you'll probably not be looking @ Honda. Honda has never worried about keeping up with the joneses in the gadgets department. They make reliable fast bikes. Top or bottom you can read just about any shootout & i'll almost guarantee that the one thing they will always say is the Honda is the easiest to ride fast. Nuff for me. My driveway doesn't lead out onto the track so i don't care for how track focused a bike is. Don't even get me started on "modes" "rider aids" trac control" or whatever you want to call it. On a middleweight?!! Get real!
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I doubt that the new bike will be significantly less, if any, in term of MSRP, which is at least what they will be selling for for a while. But if it'll $13K or a little more, I just don't see any reason to buy a slightly revised 600 when you can get a 1K for not much more.
I picked my '12 up brand new a couple of months ago for 9300 flat and thought that was a good deal. Now I know why they did it, to get more volume out so they can get more '13 allocated to them. I actually like the look of my '12 more than the '13s. Worked out good for both the dealer and I.
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They may be pricey at first... But with the mula you save over the years from NOT having to pay for repairs, it pretty much pays itself off.
And like someone else said, if someone desperately wants power modes or rider aids or even a freaking gear indicator, they shouldn't be riding a 600 sportbike.
IMO it's pointless and stupid. Like traction control on 100hp cars.
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To all the ppl badgering on all the extras that other bikes come with these days, pointless as they might be according y'all, are you seriously telling me that you wouldn't like ur cbr more if it came with gear indicator, traction control, adjustable rearset, brembo brakes, and more HP for the same msrp??? get real and stop being so bias.
To all the ppl badgering on all the extras that other bikes come with these days, pointless as they might be according y'all, are you seriously telling me that you wouldn't like ur cbr more if it came with gear indicator, traction control, adjustable rearset, brembo brakes, and more HP for the same msrp??? get real and stop being so bias.
Bias huh? It's called an opinion. Once technology is introduced people just have to have it. I know what gear my bike is in, because i put it there, if you need a gear ind good for you. Trac control on a 600. You get real. Why do you need that? Just because its out there? So you can tell your buds hey i have that? No thanks. Nobody said anything about not wanting better brakes, or more HP for the same $.
Bias huh? It's called an opinion. Once technology is introduced people just have to have it. I know what gear my bike is in, because i put it there, if you need a gear ind good for you. Trac control on a 600. You get real. Why do you need that? Just because its out there? So you can tell your buds hey i have that? No thanks. Nobody said anything about not wanting better brakes, or more HP for the same $.
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I didn't say i needed it and You still didn't answer my question. So if Honda asked you if you can have choice to have the above options for the same price you would pay for the ones with out them, you are telling me that you are gonna go with the latter? Shiet, if they gave me the choice, I know which one i would take. You go have fun with your basic package bike, while i ride my fully hooked up luxury package cbr. And for the record, I am being REAL.
I didn't say i needed it and You still didn't answer my question. So if Honda asked you if you can have choice to have the above options for the same price you would pay for the ones with out them, you are telling me that you are gonna go with the latter? Shiet, if they gave me the choice, I know which one i would take. You go have fun with your basic package bike, while i ride my fully hooked up luxury package cbr. And for the record, I am being REAL.
We are both being real just differing opinions. Lets not make this a bitch fest. If they offered that ya I'd take it. If they offered a choice of a bike with all the electronics for a higher MSRP, like the ABS/non ABS sitch, & a bike without the electronics for a lesser MSRP I'd take the model without. What I'm trying to say in a nutshell is I'm not against rider aids. I'm against being forced to have them. I'd like to be able to have the choice.
Luxury package cbr? What?? I think you're missing the point of the RR. Motorcycles are supposed to be the most basic, down to earth, man to machine connection there is. Just the man and the machine, no nonsense in between. It's part of the reason bikes are funner than cars.
Compare this to the GTR or Veyron. Great cars for sure, but boring to drive bc you hardly have to do anything.
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Last edited by Bronxbomber; 12-16-2012 at 07:04 PM.
I agree. I'm old-school & think the rider should control the bike 100%. Smooth operation of the right wrist. I think there are many reasons why the moto GP series has gone down hill & one of them is rider aids. IMHO.
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