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It's not fair, you have a car and this guy doesn't.

That guy needs to go get a job and not be standing in this crowd.

I like the "Do you want to be in the 1%?"
How would it feel if everyone is asking for more of your money that you worked so hard for.
 

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About time someone did this. This guy is spot on. You earn what you work for. No reason this man should be paying as much as he already is. Theres jobs everywhere. Why can't this guy without a car go find a job and EARN a car? A bunch of greedy, lazy people.
 

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The OWS crowd is really made up of socialist, unions, and the ignorant who the prior two groups use for their own agendas. That's why there is no "Leader" or Speaker for the group. The socialists want your money/property and the unions want more power. One way to get both is to use the ignorant "Me, ME" generation to destroy our economy and society. The socialists come back with the money they stole from us to buy up all of the now deflated and bankrupt property at pennies on the dollar. And the unions grab more power to "protect us" from those evil people that stole our money. It's all a big scam!! Don't fall for it!

WE ARE ENTITLED TO WHAT WE WORK FOR!!! WE ARE NOT ENTITLED TO OTHER PEOPLES MONEY UNLESS YOU HAVE BEEN LEGALLY WRONGED THROUGH DUE PROCESS!!!
 

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I mostly want to see what everyone else thinks about his arguments vs. those of the protesters..
Hardly a debate, Peter Shiff is a well known TV pundit/Austrian economics guy, was pretty much Ron Paul finance/economics talking piece for a while. Which is funny, because even Ron Paul supports the OWS protestors.

What he doesn't tell you is that: Even though the economy sucks corporations are and have been making record profits, because the tax situation has never been better despite what he's insinuating. Corporations by and large pay a much smaller percentage of taxes than they used to, when all Americans were doing great, because that burden has been shifted to the people.

Real wages have been stagnant or declining for vast majority of Americans, while the economy and everything else was growing the only people that benefited from that growth were those in the top brackets.

You may disagree with the purpose of OWS protests, find them disorganized, lazy... whatever. But that doesn't change the fact that if nothing is done to end corruption and to protect/strengthen the middle class, the growing inequality WILL destroy America... This has been the case for most civilizations in the past and I'm sure it will include many in the future. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
 

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Hardly a debate, Peter Shiff is a well known TV pundit/Austrian economics guy, was pretty much Ron Paul finance/economics talking piece for a while. Which is funny, because even Ron Paul supports the OWS protestors.

What he doesn't tell you is that: Even though the economy sucks corporations are and have been making record profits, because the tax situation has never been better despite what he's insinuating. Corporations by and large pay a much smaller percentage of taxes than they used to, when all Americans were doing great, because that burden has been shifted to the people.

Real wages have been stagnant or declining for vast majority of Americans, while the economy and everything else was growing the only people that benefited from that growth were those in the top brackets.

You may disagree with the purpose of OWS protests, find them disorganized, lazy... whatever. But that doesn't change the fact that if nothing is done to end corruption and to protect/strengthen the middle class, the growing inequality WILL destroy America... This has been the case for most civilizations in the past and I'm sure it will include many in the future. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
I don't pretend to understand everything that is going on. To be honest, I doubt there are few that actually do. I just don't see these protests actually doing any good when there is little to no leadership and a singular common goal. It seems to me the limited resources of this movement are spread too thin on multiple fronts to accomplish anything.
 

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I think he had a good point when he asked would you like to be in the 1%. The answer will be "no" when you are under spot light, but if you offered a path way to get there rightly or wrongfully most people would take the path way to the 1%.

I think social inequality is to blame for many problems in society through out the world.
We are selfish. We can argue about that we worked very hard to get where we are. It is about our strengths and weakness', struggles we had to go through to get where we are. Do you think people just wake up one morning and go became a terrorist, or start hating a group of people? People start doing these things because of the conditions there were put in to. You can still argue this is america the greatest country in the world, and you can become rich or what ever you want to become. Only a few succeed at it. Maybe even you are one of these lucky people. Lets be real and not over generalize this idea of american dream. Yes a few people become very successful at the
expanse of many people.
What is it that you are looking in life. Money? I don't thinks so. Money is a way of getting at things that you as a person value. People look for shelter, clothes on there back, food, a happy family, to be community.
So if this people we refer to as "1%" is the one who are causing these problems in society they are to blame.
I got my flame suit on and ready to be called socialist, communist, someone looking for a hand out or someone who should be locked or get kicked out of this country.
 

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this country is great because you can start out with nothing and end up with quite a bit.

all of the OWS stuff i hear about seems to be this 1% crap, i know that has been the case.


but when i hear them say stuff like, audit/end the federal reserve and attempt to remove corruption and bill of rights type things i tend to support that notion.

the argument that you should have something just because someone else worked their ass for it, i do not agree with.

i do not agree with the welfare state.

as of yet i cannot bring myself to agree that the OWS movement which has spread far beyond NYWS is only about a poor man being upset he does not have what a rich man has...

^^you don't wake up one day and be a terrorist, i agree with that, well unless you wake up one day and the american gov says you are, then you are in some ****.
 

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I think he had a good point when he asked would you like to be in the 1%. The answer will be "no" when you are under spot light, but if you offered a path way to get there rightly or wrongfully most people would take the path way to the 1%.

I think social inequality is to blame for many problems in society through out the world.
We are selfish. We can argue about that we worked very hard to get where we are. It is about our strengths and weakness', struggles we had to go through to get where we are. Do you think people just wake up one morning and go became a terrorist, or start hating a group of people? People start doing these things because of the conditions there were put in to. You can still argue this is america the greatest country in the world, and you can become rich or what ever you want to become. Only a few succeed at it. Maybe even you are one of these lucky people. Lets be real and not over generalize this idea of american dream. Yes a few people become very successful at the
expanse of many people.
What is it that you are looking in life. Money? I don't thinks so. Money is a way of getting at things that you as a person value. People look for shelter, clothes on there back, food, a happy family, to be community.
So if this people we refer to as "1%" is the one who are causing these problems in society they are to blame.
I got my flame suit on and ready to be called socialist, communist, someone looking for a hand out or someone who should be locked or get kicked out of this country.

I would like to add to this. I really believe that "social media" is to blame for those that think they work harder than everyone else and believe they deserve to have things because of this. Seeing someone that has a nice car, nice house and wears a suit to work means they used someone else to get that money. What is used? They gave them a job and paid them to do it. Sure they don't make as much as the boss is, but should they? The boss deserves to make more money than you do, they are the boss. If you don't like that then quit and do something else. It's that simple. There are MILLIONS of people, it's not all about you and those that think that way need to wake up realize this. The boss knows that if there isn't someone that knows as much as you do there is someone that has a better attitude and work ethic that they can get trained to do your job. We have become a "ME" society; what about me,me,me.
 

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I've been making over 100K for more than 15 years and I earned every g-damned cent of it. I'm not rich by any stretch but I do pretty well and I'm tired of paying for other people and their lack of proper work ethic or desire to better themselves. I have no pity for people that think that sitting around holding up a sign is the way to make it to a better life.

Now they want to occupy foreclosed homes? Homeless is now squatting is now occupying and wanting something for nothing. The original message was so cloudy and lacked any resemblance of focus. Now it's just a bunch of **** disturbers and lazy asses that found a fun way to pass the day and have a place to sleep.
 

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I'm not rich by any stretch but I do pretty well and I'm tired of paying for other people and their lack of proper work ethic or desire to better themselves. I have no pity for people that think that sitting around holding up a sign is the way to make it to a better life.
A few question for you TheX. These are not rhetorical question.

The point of social services is not to turn in to a welfare state. It is there to help people get through the hard times they are having. Are there people abusing the social services. YES. Is this a good enough reason to get rid of these service? Don't you think it is better for our judicial system punish the people who are misusing it instead of getting rid of the whole system?

Sincerely what is being done to enable these people to stand on there feet and support them self? Do you think segregation helps educate people. Lets be clear our school system divides people based on their income. Based on your income you will be able to afford housing on certain parts of your city. Richer parts get better school. Poorer parts get not very good schools. Better parts pay more money through taxes so these schools have higher budgets. Most people say poor people = lazy people. They talk about all they have to do is climb the leader, but shouldn't there be a letter to climb?
 

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My problem is that all of these people feel like they deserve BETTER than what they have the opportunity to get. I'm talking about people with college degrees that refuse to work in restaurants or at blue collar establishments. If you need the money and realize you need the money, than you need to take what you can get and not what you feel like you deserve.

I am by no means a part of the 1% but I also don't consider myself a part of this "99%". I would never stand in the way of people trying to get to work, no matter what they do, instead of looking for or finding a job I needed to support myself or my family. The problem isn't that there aren't enough jobs, the problem is that no one wants to work the jobs that are available. Well, that's cool with me. I'm going to spend 3 hours driving around to restaurants, getting hired on the spot because they need servers, supplementing my already good job with part time work for money to just BLOW on stupid **** that I don't need. I'm going to do this with a huge grin on my face knowing that anyone that complains that there isn't work is a joke and that I am taking money from them that could be theirs if they swallowed their pride. And I am going to do all of this on a Wednesday from 11A-2P because instead of going to some retarded rally.

This country is already a welfare state. People abuse the system because our judicial system is flawed and no one holds those abusers accountable. You want to weed out the abusers, start in crack houses, on street corners and in most southern states with a low income rate. You know why they are low income? Because they lack the drive to do anything better with their own lives. You only start from where you are born into, from there you can go wherever you want. It just takes a little bit of courage and strength. Perhaps if they didn't kick out that kid at 16, they might have it a bit less difficult. That was a choice they made though. No pity here. The ONLY people I feel pity for are the children and I donate to charities that support those children year round. Do those kids ever see it? Probably not, but at least I try and for this I sleep well at night.
 

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A few question for you TheX. These are not rhetorical question.

The point of social services is not to turn in to a welfare state. It is there to help people get through the hard times they are having. Are there people abusing the social services. YES. Is this a good enough reason to get rid of these service? Don't you think it is better for our judicial system punish the people who are misusing it instead of getting rid of the whole system?

Sincerely what is being done to enable these people to stand on there feet and support them self? Do you think segregation helps educate people. Lets be clear our school system divides people based on their income. Based on your income you will be able to afford housing on certain parts of your city. Richer parts get better school. Poorer parts get not very good schools. Better parts pay more money through taxes so these schools have higher budgets. Most people say poor people = lazy people. They talk about all they have to do is climb the leader, but shouldn't there be a letter to climb?
This was not directed at me but I would like to answer this. "The point of social services is not to turn in to a welfare state. It is there to help people get through the hard times they are having. "
The point of social services is to give money to those that don't work for it. If this never expires they will never get a job. Plain and simple. Put it to you like this. If I gave you a check once a month for 12 months and that check was a certain amount. You knew this check was coming and would spend your monthly amount around this, then when I tell you I am going to increase your amount every other month. What would you do with that extra money? YOU WOULD SPEND IT. In no way is that helping you get back on your feet and get a job. Then when I say I am not going to give you anymore after a certain amount of time I am unreasonable because their are no jobs. Plenty of business's are hiring but no one wants to do the work, they would rather sit at home and collect a check. There is a 99% and a 1% in the government assistance programs as well. 1% will get back out and do what's right, the other 99% will sit around and collect the check. Next time you go by one of those school districts that are not that great have a conversation with one of the parents and ask how much they volunteer at the school or what the parents education is. Money is not to blame for the schools. The school gets plenty of money, it's a matter of what they spend it on. "I have worked on jobs with schools, I know what they spend it on and have seen the wasted spending first hand"
Twist this saying, You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink
You can drop a kid off at school but you can't make them learn.

If the kids don't have the ambition and drive to want to learn "PARENTS JOB" then the kids don't care. Mom and Dad or Mom or Dad is doing just fine and they didn't get good grades. They don't have a job, they get a check, we get that coupon book and get groceries.

I am tired of paying for people to sit at home and play games all day while I work. Plenty of sit on your butt jobs they can do as well, doesn't have to be manual labor. I know for a fact that FICA will be long gone by time I could use it, that's fine get rid of it and wean these people off the bottle to take care of themselves.
 
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