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I dont know why there is so many haters towards him.Guy can ride period & just needs better equipment.
 

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It's a shame that his season hasn't been a great one. the kid has talent and hopefully next season will be much better for him. All we can do is see what happens.
 

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I dont know why there is so many haters towards him.Guy can ride period & just needs better equipment.
hell yeah he can sure ride... all top ten finishers there can!!
 

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It's a shame what happened to him this year. Pedrosa seems to be getting all the goodies, and he's left struggling with a number of things.

At least he got one championship while Repsol was still 100% behind him.
 

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At least he got one championship while Repsol was still 100% behind him.
+1. Or kind've behind him anyway. after the clutch issues last year, and HRC's famous engineering department saying "we can't fix it," i wondered exactly how far behind him he was. What'd he have, like 6 or 7 different frames?

when he first came in i didn't like him. but he's won me over. go nicky. phillip island would've been a great finish for him too *sigh* i'll turn into a full blown nicky fan the moment he leaves HRC. for anyone.
 

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yeah...but i wish Honda's were a bit faster than what they are...Give 600RR the Gixxer power or Kawi 636R and it will be nice....! :)
 

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It's a shame what happened to him this year. Pedrosa seems to be getting all the goodies, and he's left struggling with a number of things.

At least he got one championship while Repsol was still 100% behind him.
I think the bike was clearly designed with a smaller rider in mind but Nicky has gotten all of the updates thus far, which is why his results have been a lot better in the latter half of the season. Even in Catalunya when you saw Dani run really strong for the first time this season because of a revised chassis, Nicky had that chassis available to him too, he just opted not to use it until he could test it.

Another big breakthrough for Nicky was tuning the traction control down for his riding style and all of a sudden he's gotten some podiums and a pole position.

I'm actually kind of surprised Honda hasn't brought out a pneumatic valved or even desmo engine yet but they're certainly testing at least one of those solutions right now. I'm hoping that they'll bring it out before the end of the season.

+1. Or kind've behind him anyway. after the clutch issues last year, and HRC's famous engineering department saying "we can't fix it," i wondered exactly how far behind him he was. What'd he have, like 6 or 7 different frames?
Well for one, if HRC had all of the answers for every engineering problem they wouldn't lose a single race. Once a problem is identified sometimes its not easy to come up with a solution, and sometimes producing a one-off part or series or parts out of exotic metals is time-consuming.

In the case of the clutch the big mistake at HRC was that their test rider was too hesitant to criticize the bike and he didn't help them identify the clutch problem. Honda in their stubborness, rather than listening to Nicky, they listened to their test rider until it was almost too late.
 

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I think Nicky is a great rider. I just don't think he's championship material...YET.

He hasn't shown it. The season he won, to me, wasn't convincing or deserved.

I respect Nicky tremendously, and I really like his demeanor and how he looks at racing. I really respect this guy. A true professional. I don't doubt that he will be a great in MotoGP (after a few more championships). I just haven't seen CHAMPIONSHIP from him yet...that's all.
 

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Well for one, if HRC had all of the answers for every engineering problem they wouldn't lose a single race. Once a problem is identified sometimes its not easy to come up with a solution, and sometimes producing a one-off part or series or parts out of exotic metals is time-consuming.

In the case of the clutch the big mistake at HRC was that their test rider was too hesitant to criticize the bike and he didn't help them identify the clutch problem. Honda in their stubborness, rather than listening to Nicky, they listened to their test rider until it was almost too late.
The famed HRC engineering dept? C'mon. They could've done better. They could've just used the year old clutch off of pedrosa's bike instead of using Nicky's as a testing bed for the 800s. I'm an engineer. and we can't fix it isn't an acceptable answer at any level, much less in MotoGP. They should've got the job done or replaced the clutch. you said it yourself, HRC is too damn stubborn and arrogant. And they like thier spanish oil money.

Besides the engineering dept won't actually build anything. They'll wirte specs and blueprints then farm out the actual manufacturing or construction to another vendor or internal manufacturing. thats what i do. and they can push those guys to the limit. if HRC told x company we need it tomorrow, do you really think they'd say no?
 

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The famed HRC engineering dept? C'mon. They could've done better. They could've just used the year old clutch off of pedrosa's bike instead of using Nicky's as a testing bed for the 800s. I'm an engineer. and we can't fix it isn't an acceptable answer at any level, much less in MotoGP.
Well if you're an engineer you know that solving a problem in a domain where you're writing the book as your going along is not always easy or expedient. In Moto GP and Formula 1 the answers are not always there, that's why the manufacturers compete there. Furthermore they were having a personnel problem. As an engineer you should also know that when trying to isolate a problem it must be repeatable. They weren't getting it with their test rider so that's why it went on for longer than it should have. They eventually took that guy out of that role (or so they said).

They should've got the job done or replaced the clutch. you said it yourself, HRC is too damn stubborn and arrogant. And they like thier spanish oil money.
It was not the case of "oh we've got this clutch sitting on the shelf" or "we'll just call up this supplier, they've got it sitting on the shelf". And don't even bring up that Repsol conspiracy theory nonsense. The money Repsol gives Honda is a drop in the bucket compared to what Honda spends in total for Moto GP. Honda sent Camel and Telefonica Movistar packing because they were making demands that conflicted with their interests, they surely don't give a damn if they have to do the same with Repsol. As a matter of fact, that's why HRC signed Dani directly rather than letting him sign a contract with Repsol. To prevent Repsol from meddling in their affairs.

Besides the engineering dept won't actually build anything. They'll wirte specs and blueprints then farm out the actual manufacturing or construction to another vendor or internal manufacturing. thats what i do. and they can push those guys to the limit. if HRC told x company we need it tomorrow, do you really think they'd say no?
HRC's HQ in Japan does have production capabilities for one. Secondly you can't say 'we need it tomorrow' for a part that takes several days to CNC, especially when said part is made out of exotic metal. Some of the parts take several days to make in Moto GP, its not that simple.
 

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I think Nicky is a great rider. I just don't think he's championship material...YET.

He hasn't shown it. The season he won, to me, wasn't convincing or deserved.

I respect Nicky tremendously, and I really like his demeanor and how he looks at racing. I really respect this guy. A true professional. I don't doubt that he will be a great in MotoGP (after a few more championships). I just haven't seen CHAMPIONSHIP from him yet...that's all.
You're an idiot. Have you seen the last few races? Nicky has demonstrated time and time again that he's an elite rider. He's at least a top 5 in GP and I would DEFINITELY put him above Casey Stoner, skill-wise. Besides this year's GP championship, what has Casey won? Nothing. Hayden is top 5 of the top 3% of motorcycle racers in the sport.
 

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ABSOLUTELY Soop!!!
 

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At least he got one championship while Repsol was still 100% behind him.
Repsol Honda were NEVER 100% behind him. They are a "spanish" team with their prized spanish rider(podbot) so he was always playing second fiddle. To me though that makes his 06 championship run all that more impressive. Hayden is alot better rider than most people would like to admit. He essentially makes himself the #1 rider even though the team has other plans.
 

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.... And don't even bring up that Repsol conspiracy theory nonsense. The money Repsol gives Honda is a drop in the bucket compared to what Honda spends in total for Moto GP. Honda sent Camel and Telefonica Movistar packing because they were making demands that conflicted with their interests, they surely don't give a damn if they have to do the same with Repsol. As a matter of fact, that's why HRC signed Dani directly rather than letting him sign a contract with Repsol. To prevent Repsol from meddling in their affairs.
Your right Honda does not need Repsols money but podbot is their #1 rider. Hence why the 800 was developed around him. I thought this was common knowledge?
 

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Repsol Honda were NEVER 100% behind him. They are a "spanish" team with their prized spanish rider(podbot) so he was always playing second fiddle. To me though that makes his 06 championship run all that more impressive. Hayden is alot better rider than most people would like to admit. He essentially makes himself the #1 rider even though the team has other plans.
I agree with that, maybe I should have said, "behind him enough".

It's true that Nicky is getting more goodies at the end of the season, but it's way too late now. I'm happy he got a few podiums/etc though. He really is a top rider. I wonder where he'll go after Repsol.

It's too bad Pedrosa is worth so damn much to Repsol/Dorna. With the amount of money TVE pays for MotoGP coverage, and how Pedrosa's success relates to their viewer share, it's no wonder Pedrosa gets such a strong push from all angles.
 

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Your right Honda does not need Repsols money but podbot is their #1 rider. Hence why the 800 was developed around him. I thought this was common knowledge?
HRC developed the bike around Pedrosa's dimensions because HRC believes he has what it takes to be the next dominate champion. Not because he's Spanish and they have a Spanish sponsor. If HRC cared so much about pleasing Repsol with giving a Spanish rider preference they would have kicked Doohan off the team and let Criville win and they would have signed Toni Elias, Carlos Checa, or Sete Gibernau instead of Nicky Hayden to team with Pedrobot.

Pedrosa is there because of his skills, not his nationality. I think HRC was wrong to design the bike around a smaller rider like him but I don't that is necessarily why Hayden has done so poorly starting the season. Pretty much all of the Honda riders have done poorly this season because the bike did not handle particularly well, Dani-sized or not, Michelin has not been up to snuff, and they were down on power (in other words the bike didn't really do anything well). Once they started to address those issues lo and behold Nicky started to come back.
 

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HRC developed the bike around Pedrosa's dimensions because HRC believes he has what it takes to be the next dominate champion. Not because he's Spanish and they have a Spanish sponsor. If HRC cared so much about pleasing Repsol with giving a Spanish rider preference they would have kicked Doohan off the team and let Criville win and they would have signed Toni Elias, Carlos Checa, or Sete Gibernau instead of Nicky Hayden to team with Pedrobot.

Pedrosa is there because of his skills, not his nationality. I think HRC was wrong to design the bike around a smaller rider like him but I don't that is necessarily why Hayden has done so poorly starting the season. Pretty much all of the Honda riders have done poorly this season because the bike did not handle particularly well, Dani-sized or not, Michelin has not been up to snuff, and they were down on power (in other words the bike didn't really do anything well). Once they started to address those issues lo and behold Nicky started to come back.
That’s right, they favor podbot. So we agree then? It can be spun however you want but the fact of the matter is Hayden was in the midst of a championship run last year and still podbot had the better bike, got the parts and was having the 08 bike designed for him. That says more about REPSOL Hondas intentions than I or anyone else could say. The Spanish have their “golden boy”, “the next big thing” or whatever you want to call him and they will back him accordingly. Kick Doohan and let Criville win? That’s just crazy talk and I’ll pretend you didn’t say that, you’re a lot smarter than that. There is not a better Spanish rider on the grid right now and im not saying podbot lacks skills. Hes a very good rider(weighing only 51kg helps too!!)



Yeah I’m not making excuses for Hayden. He rode pretty well this year considering. Honda was really weak in the beginning of the season and it would have been that way no matter who the bike was designed after. Everyone was trying to catch Ducati. I agree with you last paragraph 100% about the Hondas, they just didn’t have it this season. I just don’t like to see podbot favored when Hayden deserves it. He works his ass off and he shouldn’t have to be #2 on any team.




*just a quick note. On forums this is the point where a lot of conversations go down hill and people start name calling. Since I’m new here and don’t really know anyone yet can we keep things civil? Not saying you are like that but just pointing it out… its hard to have rational conversations on the internet most of the time
 

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That’s right, they favor podbot. So we agree then? It can be spun however you want but the fact of the matter is Hayden was in the midst of a championship run last year and still podbot had the better bike, got the parts and was having the 08 bike designed for him. That says more about REPSOL Hondas intentions than I or anyone else could say.

The thing about Pedrosa having 'the better bike' last year is that if the roles were reversed (Dani on the Evo RCV and Nicky on the standard RCV) people would've complained that Pedrosa was getting all the parts and poor ol' Nicky was stuck with the old bike. Nicky and company have said in some ways the Evo was an advantage over the standard bike and he won the championship on it so the bike could not have been that bad at the end. Here's a quote directly from Nicky's crew chief's mouth:

So it must've been supremely satisfying for you that you and Nicky took the Evolution RC211V3, a bike that nobody really wanted to ride, and you turned it into a championship contender. Obviously winning a championship is a big career moment for you but was it extra special doing it on a bike that people didn't think you could win on?
Yeah it was. In some ways that bike really suited Nicky's style, or certain facets of it really suited Nicky's style which is why we went that direction last year. And it was, it was very frustrating, a lot more hard work than you really wanted. But at the end of the day like you say we got the results and that's all that mattered.
The Spanish have their “golden boy”, “the next big thing” or whatever you want to call him and they will back him accordingly. Kick Doohan and let Criville win? That’s just crazy talk and I’ll pretend you didn’t say that, you’re a lot smarter than that. There is not a better Spanish rider on the grid right now and im not saying podbot lacks skills. Hes a very good rider(weighing only 51kg helps too!!)

I'm not saying anyone should've gotten rid of Doohan, I'm saying that plenty of times in the past Repsol Honda could have favored or selected a Spanish rider but did not. I just don't think nationality matters that much to HRC unless its a Japanese rider, and even then, said Japanese rider has to be fast.

Yeah I’m not making excuses for Hayden. He rode pretty well this year considering. Honda was really weak in the beginning of the season and it would have been that way no matter who the bike was designed after. Everyone was trying to catch Ducati. I agree with you last paragraph 100% about the Hondas, they just didn’t have it this season. I just don’t like to see podbot favored when Hayden deserves it. He works his ass off and he shouldn’t have to be #2 on any team.

I think it was wrong for HRC to develop the RC212V around a smaller rider with Dani Pedrosa in mind, and to wit, the lead designer of the RC212V got moved out of HRC back into the production side (whether that was part of the normal rotation or the price of failure I don't know).

After the season started though it was Hayden's job to outperform Dani. During the season the way HRC has always worked is that the rider getting the best results gets the parts either first or at the same time as the other rider. Thus far it seems like Hayden has been getting the updates right there with Pedrosa. His results have improved accordingly.


 

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Remember, too, that a lot of the spreading around of upgrades happened faster after the HRC CEO was let go and a new CEO was put in place. I think he was there from the Spain until now. He was definitely on hand at Motegi to make sure that Dani was signed. But yeah, he wasn't happy when Hayden's bike exploded down the straight a few races back, spewing oil and coolant everywhere. He probably wasn't happy when Hayden's bike chunked itself in PI hunting down Stoner. Mind you, Hayden was the only rider able to stay on Stoner's back wheel.
 
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