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For those that care also check this one out, I think the approach taken is much better. It's about the journey of a few 9/11 widows in their quest to get some answers about the events of that day... people that have the right to ask tough questions.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481#

The video does nothing more than ask basic questions... all of which never really get answered.

Government spent less than 20 million dollars investigating the largest terrorist attack on US soil that also had many other world firsts. Government went out of its way prevent a thorough and detailed investigation of how they collapsed.

US government spent 5x more money investigating Bill Clinton's BJ than it did the collapse of two of the worlds largest buildings that were designed to withstand plane strikes and fire. Don't you think engineers could have gained LOTS of useful knowledge to make future buildings even safer? Why weren't they allowed to run basic forensic/metallurgical analysis? Why was everything shipped away to china for recycling almost immediately?

There are just too many coincidences and unanswered questions... I don't know the extent of the involvement, or what happened behind the scenes but it's painfully obvious that the government is trying to hide something.
 

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Did you watch the movie?

I think it asks some very important questions.
Couldn't you pick a different day to play conspiracy theorist?:bootyshak Any other day other than this one?
 

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not to mention the fact that the twin towers had an astronomical amount of asbestos that needed to be removed (hence all the respiratory disease inflicted on the rescue/cleanup crews)

A lot easier to demo it :/
 

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Couldn't you pick a different day to play conspiracy theorist?:bootyshak Any other day other than this one?
I'm not playing conspiracy theorist. I was asking a question.

So, you watched the movie, right?

I'm guessing we shouldn't ask questions anymore, even though most of the 9/11 Commission state that the report they made was completely false.

The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies

Gordon Duff Salem-News.com How long have we watered the Tree of Deceit with the blood of patriots?

John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11″​

(CINCINNATI, Ohio) - In John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11″, the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version... is almost entirely untrue...
The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.
Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report.
Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.
Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”
The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . " When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done?
9/11 Commission member and former US Senator, Bob Kerrey, says, "No one is more qualified to write the definitive book about the tragedy of 9/11 than John Farmer. Fortunately, he has done so. Even more fortunately the language is clear, alive and instructive for anyone who wants to make certain this never happens again."
With the only "official" 9/11 report now totally false, where do we go from here? Who is hurt by these lies? The families of the victims of 9/11 have fought, for years, to get to the truth. For years, our government has hidden behind lies and secrecy to deny them closure.
In 2006, The Washington Post reported..."Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission..."
What does Farmer's book tell us? Farmer offers no solutions, only a total and full rejection of what was told and his own his own ideas concerning the total failure of honesty on the part of the government, a government with something to hide.


Farmer never tells us what. Nobody could keep a job in the public sector speaking out more than Farmer has. What were Farmer's omissions? There are some. Now that we know that intelligence given the 9/11 Commission wasn't just lies from our own government but based on testimony coerced through torture from informants forced to back up a cover story now proven false, a pattern emerges.
We know that, immediately after 9/11, many more potential suspects and informants were flown directly to Saudi Arabia by Presidential order than were ever detained and questioned. We will never know what they could have said. Their testimony would have been vital to any real investigation were they not put beyond the reach of even Congress and the FBI.
Putting aside all other questions of recent evidence of CIA involvement with bin Laden prior to 9/11 or altered physical evidence involving the Pentagon attack, any failure to call to account the systematic perjury committed by dozens of top government officials, now exposed as a certainty is an offense to every American.
What do we know? We know the conjecture about 9/11 still stands but for certain, we know we were lied to, not in a minor way, but systematically as part of a plot covering up government involvement at nearly every level, perhaps gross negligence, perhaps something with darker intent.
Are we willing to live with another lie to go with the Warren Report, Iran Contra and so many others? Has the sacrifice of thousands more Americans, killed, wounded or irreparably damaged by a war knowingly built on the same lies from the same liars who misled the 9/11 Commission pushed us beyond willingness to confront the truth?
Have we yet found where the lies have begun and ended? There is no evidence of this, only evidence to the contrary. The lies live on and the truth will never be sought. The courage for that task has not been found.
Can anyone call themselves an American if they don't demand, even with the last drop of their blood, that the truth be found?
How long have we watered the Tree of Deceit with the blood of patriots?
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Gordon Duff is a Marine combat veteran and a regular contributor to Veterans Today. He specializes in political and social issues. You can see a large collection of Gordon's published articles at this link: VeteransToday.com.
He is an outspoken advocate for veterans and his powerful words have brought about change. Gordon is a lifelong PTSD sufferer from his war experiences and he is empathetic to the plight of today's veterans also suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. We greatly appreciate the opportunity to feature Gordon's timely and critical reports on Salem-News.com, a news organization staffed by a number of veterans, particularly former U.S. Marines.
 

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how do u know if that info is right? ^^^ ... no1 knows who to trust these days... i personally think u cant trust anyone, whoevwer is incharge there will be corruption...miteaswell be a goverment that u can join and get in on it :p
 

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how do u know if that info is right? ^^^ ... no1 knows who to trust these days... i personally think u cant trust anyone, whoevwer is incharge there will be corruption...miteaswell be a goverment that u can join and get in on it :p
And its statements like this that confirm my initial thoughts on you being a complete idiot.
 

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Complete and utter overreaction to the Swine Flu outbreak, now all of a suddon a push for government run National Healthcare... coincidence?!?!?!?! :drunk:
 

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Complete and utter overreaction to the Swine Flu outbreak, now all of a suddon a push for government run National Healthcare... coincidence?!?!?!?! :drunk:

Just move up here to Canada like I did and then you get Nationalized heathcare without even having to think about it :banger:
 

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Welcome to the "World Order". I am waiting for when they will push the "Ameuro", American Euro. Who knows what they will do next.
 

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Welcome to the "World Order". I am waiting for when they will push the "Ameuro", American Euro. Who knows what they will do next.
Bah, you're just talking about conspiracy theory....

U.N. Panel Calls For Dollar Reserve Role To Be Eliminated


By Steve Goldstein
A United Nations panel weighed into the dollar reserve currency debate, arguing for a new system of soft pegs to correct severe deficits in debtor nations like the U.S. and surpluses in countries like China.
The report from the United Nations conference on Trade and Development, issued on Monday, said the world economy would be better off with a system where governments intervene when necessary to either defend or depress their own currencies.
"A viable solution to the exchange-rate problem would be a system of managed flexible exchange rates targeting a rate that is consistent with a sustainable current-account position, which is preferable to any 'corner solution.' But since the exchange rate is a variable that involves more than one currency, there is a much better chance of achieving a stable pattern of exchange rates in a multilaterally agreed framework for exchange-rate management," said the U.N. body.
The role of the dollar reserve's status has been criticized of late, notably by Russia and China, which have called for the International Monetary Fund's special drawing rights to be used instead, a proposal that many see as impractical given the lack of availability or purchase power outside of settling international obligations.
The U.N. sees the impracticalities of the SDRs but also highlighted problems with the current system.
"An economy whose currency is used as a reserve currency is not under the same obligation as others to make the necessary macroeconomic or exchange-rate adjustments for avoiding continuing current account deficits. Thus, the dominance of the dollar as the main means of international payments also played an important role in the build-up of the global imbalances in the run-up to the financial crisis," the U.N. said.
But the report also took aim at countries like China and Germany with current account surpluses.
While debtor nations like the U.S. are compelled to reduce imports when their ability to obtain external financing reaches its limits, "surplus countries are under no systemic obligation to raise their imports in order to balance their payments."
So the U.N. wants a system where countries would manage exchange rates within a band.
It would curb speculation, prevent currency crises, prevent long-lasting imbalances, avoid debt traps for developing countries, avoid procylical conditions and minimize the need to hold international reserves.
The U.N. acknowledged such a system won't come overnight.
"Establishing such a system would take some time, not least because it requires international consensus and multilateral institution building," the U.N. said.
The Group of 20 leading industrialized and developing countries meets later this month in Pittsburgh but the dollar's reserve status isn't expected to be on the agenda.
-Steve Goldstein; 44 207 842 9424; [email protected]
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090908-704507.html


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_currency_union
 

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For those that care also check this one out, I think the approach taken is much better. It's about the journey of a few 9/11 widows in their quest to get some answers about the events of that day... people that have the right to ask tough questions.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481#

The video does nothing more than ask basic questions... all of which never really get answered.
Good one beaul, thx for the vid.
 
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