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Since the Swine Flu topic is going so well......ooooops....we're not allowed to call it that anymore for fear of offending pig farmer's, I mean the H1N1 flu, I figured I would create a thread about a disease that has now been around since the early 1980's and has killed 25 million people since 1981. You may or may not have heard of it. It's called Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome, or simply known as AIDS.

I've had many conversation's with many people on this topic over the year's. It seems everybody has a different opinion or theory as to where this disease started and came from.

Now I'm not much of a conspiracy fan, freak, or believer. But since I was in my early 20's (I'm now 38) my opinion and thought that it has been a Gov't (possibly not only our Gov't) engineered disease and experiment gone bad that was targeting gay (homosexual) males here in the United States and Europe to get rid of these "filthy, disscusting" people who are/were living this "sinful lifestyle". Now, I really don't care who you love, have sex with, fool around with and what not. Nor do I care what anyone's sexual orientation is male or female.

Now to my point. I think this was an experimental biologicaly engineered disease created in lab's here in the US and Europe and possibly other countries were involved in this genetically engineered disease. My theory is this, and I have no scientific or other evidence to back up my theory, this is my personal opinion.

I believe this disease was created to kill off as many homosexual male's as posible. It started showing up in San Francisco, CA in gay men as early as 1980 I believe. Then it was discovered I believe next in New York City. I think when it started getting out of hand and spreading to heterosexual women when bisexual males were having sex with these woman and then everything started getting out of hand. So basically I believe our Gov't was trying to kill as many gay "unmoral, unclean, sinful men" as possible and possibly using this disease as a "population control" tool and also targeting the poor it also spread to the heterosexual community. Just my .02..............

So please join into the disscusion and debate. I would like to hear everone's opinion's and also solid fact's if you have them.




AIDS information:
http://www.avert.org/

http://www.avert.org/aroundworld.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_the_United_States

http://www.aids.gov/

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/us.htm

http://www.aids.org/

http://www.aidsinfo.nih.gov/

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/aids.html

http://fohn.net/history-of-aids/

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1931470,00.html


AIDS conspiracy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_origins_opposed_to_scientific_consensus

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=AIDS_conspiracy

http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/AIDS_conspiracy_theories/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33695-2005Jan24.html

http://www.economicexpert.com/a/AIDS:conspiracy:theories.html

http://www.scamtypes.com/men-monkeys-and-mishief-the-aids-conspiracy.html

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=34&contentid=181&page=2

http://dmc.members.sonic.net/sentinel/naij4.html

http://www.hivandaids.in/aids-and-population-control/
 

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I'm always up for a good conspiracy theory but the fact is that it originated in Africa. I'm not one to put my head in the sand and believe eveything the goverment tells me, actually the opposite but you really can't argue with cold hard facts. The reason it was seen in the homosexual community first was because of the airline steward that brought it into the U.S. and Canada. A U.S. government conspiracy wouldn't explain why Africa has and always has had the highest number of AIDS cases.
 

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I think the "facts" about where AIDS started are what the govt wants you to believe is a fact. While it may have started it Africa, I am also open to the discussion about AIDS being engineered.

Africa has the highest number of AIDS for many reasons; lack of contraceptives, transmission through mosquitos, rape, encouragement of male promiscuity, lack of education...
 

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so.

Africa is always experiencing some sort of new virulent virus of one kind or another, currently there are several new ones sweeping through parts of there country.

You can depress yourself to the day you die wondering why we have laws for testing biological agents on our own people without there consent or you can just hope you live a little while longer happy.

Unless you are going to kill every other person on the planet you can never be sure that someone else isn't out to get you.
 

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so.

Africa is always experiencing some sort of new virulent virus of one kind or another, currently there are several new ones sweeping through parts of there country.

You can depress yourself to the day you die wondering why we have laws for testing biological agents on our own people without there consent or you can just hope you live a little while longer happy.

Unless you are going to kill every other person on the planet you can never be sure that someone else isn't out to get you.


Say what??.... Last time I checked the World Map... Africa was a CONTINENT.... Just sayin.... :drunk:
 

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o yea i also saw on science channel some ape they thought was part human.. it rly looked friken part human was freaky, the lady who was taking care of it said it tried to RAPE her one time.. so imagine if it would have, and had that simion disease, aids cud have been started like that in africa
 

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I read a while back about the AIDS virus being an accident that originated and spread through polio vaccinations. In a nutshell; two pharmaceutical companies were competing to have it's vaccine used in the US. The losing company's vaccine was used by humanitarian organisations to vaccinate African countries. Chimpanzees some with HIV was used to incubate the virus.

I did a quick google and found this article, take a look. http://www.uow.edu.au/~bmartin/dissent/documents/AIDS/

One theory of the origin of AIDS is that it developed from contaminated vaccines used in the world's first mass immunisation for polio. There are a number of reasons why this theory is plausible enough to be worthy of further investigation.

The location coincides dramatically. The earliest known cases of AIDS occurred in central Africa, in the same regions where Koprowski's polio vaccine was given to over a million people in 1957-1960.
The timing coincides. There is no documented case of HIV infection or AIDS before 1959. Centuries of the slave trade and European exploitation of Africa exposed Africans and others to all other diseases then known; it is implausible that HIV could have been present and spreading in Africa without being recognised.
Polio vaccines are grown (cultured) on monkey kidneys which could have been contaminated by SIVs. Polio vaccines could not be screened for SIV contamination before 1985.
Another monkey virus, SV-40, is known to have been passed to humans through polio vaccines. A specific pool of Koprowski's vaccine was later shown to have been contaminated by an unknown virus.
In order for a virus to infect a different species, it is helpful to reduce the resistance of the new host's immune system. Koprowski's polio vaccine was given to many children less than one month old, before their immune systems were fully developed. Indeed, in one trial, infants were given 15 times the standard dose in order to ensure effective immunisation.
If this theory is correct, it has serious ethical, health and policy implications. In particular, it points to the danger of interspecies transfer of material through vaccinations, organ transplants, etc., which could lead to new variants of AIDS as well as other new diseases. As well, studying the theory may lead to insights about responding to AIDS and preventing new diseases.

On several occasions, critics have claimed that the theory has been refuted. The Wistar Committee in 1992 said the death of a British sailor in 1959, whose tissues later tested positive for HIV, made the theory implausible. However, several years later, more sensitive tests showed no HIV in the tissues.

In 2001, reports were published that polio vaccine samples held in Philadelphia from the 1950s showed no immunodeficiency viruses. This was trumpeted as a refutation of the theory. Edward Hooper later produced evidence that US-produced vaccines had been amplified in Africa using chimpanzees as a substrate, thus showing the theory could be correct.

Scientists have spent a lot of effort trying to refute the polio-vaccine theory of the origin of AIDS, but very little trying to refute the conventional view, that blood from an SIV-infected chimpanzee got into humans via hunting or eating. There is very little direct evidence to support the conventional view, which explains neither the timing nor the location of the origin.

Scientific journals have been reluctant to publish articles about the polio-vaccine theory. For example, Nature has received substantial submissions about the theory from at least six scholars but has not published any of them. Opponents of the theory have used defamation threats and legal actions to discourage publication. The result is that editorial prerogative and legal action have given the false impression that critics of the theory have been unanswered.
 

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if i was a medicane "vaccine" company, i would probabbly engineer a virus and a cure i thought worked, let it out and then make money on the cure.. obviously i wouldnt do that because i morals but someone could have..maybe their vaccine jsut sucked ass
 

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if i was a medicane "vaccine" company, i would probabbly engineer a virus and a cure i thought worked, let it out and then make money on the cure.. obviously i wouldnt do that because i morals but someone could have..maybe their vaccine jsut sucked ass
If you're really into it for the money, you don't develop cures/vaccines... you develop treatments. You can only make money off sick people a single time if you cure them, if you make some drugs to treat the symtomes... they have to keep coming back to you for more treatment. And with the medical retarded patents drug companies can literally monopolize certain drugs several decades by changing trivial things (like 1 a day vs 3 a day, or gel coat vs capsule... etc)
 

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if i was a medicane "vaccine" company, i would probabbly engineer a virus and a cure i thought worked, let it out and then make money on the cure.. obviously i wouldnt do that because i morals but someone could have..maybe their vaccine jsut sucked ass
If you're really into it for the money, you don't develop cures/vaccines... you develop treatments. You can only make money off sick people a single time if you cure them, if you make some drugs to treat the symtomes... they have to keep coming back to you for more treatment. And with the medical retarded patents drug companies can literally monopolize certain drugs several decades by changing trivial things (like 1 a day vs 3 a day, or gel coat vs capsule... etc)

I've thought about this to. There's no money in the cure....the money's in the treatment. If you give the cure, there is no more money to be made. Now if you treat it for 10 yrs, well, now you're talking about some serious money.....in the billions....if not trillons.
 
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