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Exhaust on left instead of right. BOOOOOO to Hrc for making ride it instead of focusing on the bike he won on

 

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Robotface used the parts from the development RC211V to win Donington so Robotface will have to thank the Colonel for developing parts that really work, he'll be sure to take the points lead thanks to the Colonel (Hayden).

now HRC will throw more new stuff to test for the Colonel, he should be honored & priviledged to receive race parts fresh from the drawing board. :01_thumbu
 
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I'm gonna hijack this thread since it's kinda dead up in 'ere!

What's up with those boots man?!!! And on top of that, he has "Kentucky Kid" bordered around the same :supergay: colors. Or maybe all Kentucky Kids are bred and raised that way!

Oh, oh!....I'm gonna hear it now!:toothy12:
 
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I'm gonna hijack this thread since it's kinda dead up in 'ere!

What's up with those boots man?!!! And on top of that, he has "Kentucky Kid" bordered around the same :supergay: colors. Or maybe all Kentucky Kids are bred and raised that way!

Oh, oh!....I'm gonna hear it now!:toothy12:

Good lord, so many things I can say. I shall keep my mouth shut.
 

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Someone has to be the development rider. Apparently Biaggi didn't like the job... ;)
 

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I don't know? HRC Testing parts on a bike that is going to be obsolete next season, that makes no sense! We all know that Honda wants the championship more then anyting that's the whole reason for racing. Unless you think they want Dani to win and they are testing the parts for his benifit.
 

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I don't know? HRC Testing parts on a bike that is going to be obsolete next season, that makes no sense! We all know that Honda wants the championship more then anyting that's the whole reason for racing. Unless you think they want Dani to win and they are testing the parts for his benifit.
He's testing parts for the 800cc bike......
 

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I think HRC believes that Hayden can already fly fast with the factory 211. If you put Dani and Hayden on the same bike, I believe HRC believes Hayden would be faster. In that way, Hayden gets the Evo bike. I think this is the same reason Biaggi was the test rider. They knew last year that Biaggi was a better rider on the same bike compared to Hayden at the time. In the same way, Dani is doing the same thing Hayden was doing last season (when he finished 3rd overall); Hayden is doing now, what Biaggi was doing. Only difference, Hayden's getting on the podium with the test bike... a lot!
 

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My theory is Honda and the MotoGP world in general doesn't want an american winning the championship. Let alone a good ole southern boy from Kentucky. We all know us southerners are ignorant inbreds, right?
So they're intentionally trying to sabotage his chances of winning by putting Dani first. Why else would Honda sabotage a chance at a MotoGP championship?
 

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Because, Dani is right there in second place. HRC is having their cake and eating it too. They can develop their bike through Hayden and still have a good shot at the WC through Dani. Unless Dani takes a dive in the next 8 days, we won't see Honda throwing any good stuff at Hayden. It'll still be a frankenstein bike. What pisses me off even more is that Dani is getting the parts that work after Hayden's tested them.
 

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I don't know? Honda wants to beat Rossi at all cost! I think that Honda believes more in Dani then they do in Hayden. Dani showed right off the bat he can win races and also take command of the race once he gets to the front. As much as I would love to see Nicky take the whole championship and I hope he makes me eat my words but Dani is going to be fighting Rossi for the title this year! Just a Note Dani has made 41 points in the last two races.
 

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My theory is Honda and the MotoGP world in general doesn't want an american winning the championship. Let alone a good ole southern boy from Kentucky. We all know us southerners are ignorant inbreds, right?
So they're intentionally trying to sabotage his chances of winning by putting Dani first. Why else would Honda sabotage a chance at a MotoGP championship?
Nah I don't buy that. America is Honda's bread and butter. What better to drive sales than having an American winning on a Honda? The Japanese don't hate Americans...it's most of Europe that does.

Regardless, they want BOTH Nicky and Dani to win and well, right now they are getting it. Two straight wins for REPSOL HONDA and REPSOL 1 and 2 in the points standings (albeit Rossi is not far behind).

Like I said, SOMEONE has to be the test rider and it makes sense for Nicky to be the guy. He articulates what the bike is doing quite well -- regardless of his Southern drawl.

Also, Honda is using Nicky a LOT to sell the 1000RR in the US. More so than Zemke or Duhammel. That should tell you that they believe in Hayden. I don't think it's a consipiracy at all.

Again, SOMEONE has to ride the test bike -- and it isn't going to be a premier class rookie.....
 

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NewRedRider said:
My theory is Honda and the MotoGP world in general doesn't want an american winning the championship. Let alone a good ole southern boy from Kentucky. We all know us southerners are ignorant inbreds, right?
So they're intentionally trying to sabotage his chances of winning by putting Dani first. Why else would Honda sabotage a chance at a MotoGP championship?

Sheeeooooot!!! Ya'll shore did says a mouf-full right there brother!!!
 

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Nah I don't buy that. America is Honda's bread and butter. What better to drive sales than having an American winning on a Honda? The Japanese don't hate Americans...it's most of Europe that does.

Regardless, they want BOTH Nicky and Dani to win and well, right now they are getting it. Two straight wins for REPSOL HONDA and REPSOL 1 and 2 in the points standings (albeit Rossi is not far behind).

Like I said, SOMEONE has to be the test rider and it makes sense for Nicky to be the guy. He articulates what the bike is doing quite well -- regardless of his Southern drawl.

Also, Honda is using Nicky a LOT to sell the 1000RR in the US. More so than Zemke or Duhammel. That should tell you that they believe in Hayden. I don't think it's a consipiracy at all.

Again, SOMEONE has to ride the test bike -- and it isn't going to be a premier class rookie.....
I don't think the Japanese hate America either but I do think they would bow to the pressure from the europeans. It just makes no sense why Honda keeps changing bikes on Hayden. They know it upsets his rythem and comfort level so why do it? Why not make Dani the test rider? He's the logical choice since Hayden is leading in points.

On a side note, don't let that southern "draw" fool you. Southerners use that ignorance against people who think they're stupid because of their draw. Especially devious southern women.
 

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I don't think the Japanese hate America either but I do think they would bow to the pressure from the europeans.
I don't think they are, but I think Honda wants a bigger share of the European market.

It just makes no sense why Honda keeps changing bikes on Hayden.
He's a test rider testing new equipment. That's part of his job....

They know it upsets his rythem and comfort level so why do it? Why not make Dani the test rider? He's the logical choice since Hayden is leading in points.
Nicky is on his 4th year of GP racing and has more experience on a GP bike. He's also very good at intepreting what the bike is doing and relaying that to the development team. Dani is still learning GP bikes and doesn't have the experience necessary to really relate the development team what the bike is doing. It also might be that Dani isn't as good at interpreting what the bike is doing.

The most "logical" choice is Nicky. He was chosen BEFORE the season started so points had nothing to do with it. I do believe that Honda should use whatever information it has now and develop the 800cc bike and give Nicky a more consistent setup. At least that way the chance of the factory Honda team coming in 1 and 2 in the standings would be greater.

On a side note, don't let that southern "draw" fool you. Southerners use that ignorance against people who think they're stupid because of their draw. Especially devious southern women.
Being orginally from the South myself I already know this. I don't discriminate against anyone, especially people who talk like I used to :)
 

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Nemesis said:
I'm gonna hijack this thread since it's kinda dead up in 'ere!

What's up with those boots man?!!! And on top of that, he has "Kentucky Kid" bordered around the same :supergay: colors. Or maybe all Kentucky Kids are bred and raised that way!

Oh, oh!....I'm gonna hear it now!:toothy12:
What's up with those boots?

Better question: "What's up with all the VD dancing gifs???"

Muahah ;)
 

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I don't think the Japanese hate America either but I do think they would bow to the pressure from the europeans. It just makes no sense why Honda keeps changing bikes on Hayden. They know it upsets his rythem and comfort level so why do it? Why not make Dani the test rider? He's the logical choice since Hayden is leading in points.
People on several boards have been spouting conspiracy theories about HRC but the bottom line is that HRC is and always has been about winning through technical superiority. Maybe the other factory teams would be content to leave things as they are but HRC is ALWAYS trying to make things better. Sometimes they do things the hard way, sometimes they over do things but they'll never fail because they didn't try.

The funny thing is that if HRC didn't give Hayden new parts people would be saying, "Oh, Honda is sabotaging Nicky by not giving him parts." They give him the parts and people say, "Oh, they're sabotaging him by given him unproven stuff." HRC brought that package out because they thought it would work. Nicky and presumably his crew chief think that they need to get in a full test before they can take full advantage of the upgrades.

Make no mistake, Nicky is the number 1 rider and that's why he's developing the bike. Who knows, maybe he'd be doing better with the 05 bike but then HRC wouldn't be learning anything and moving forward. The lessons they learn with the 06 RCV can be applied in the all new 07 bike. People seem to think that Nicky is testing the actual parts that are going to be put on the 07 bike but its more that he's testing principles and ideas for the 07 bike. In the same way that the RR swingarms are not the actual swingarms from the RC211V/NSR500 but they're similar because they use the same ideas.

Ultimately, learning is one of the paramount goals of all of Honda's motorsports endeavors. Sometimes they lose because they try to push a bad idea but obviously they've won a lot more than they've lost in the last 50 years.
 

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I don't think anyone is spouting "conspiracy," as it is quite EVIDENT and completely FACTUAL that Nicky Hayden IS testing a bike that HRC didn't believe would be higher than sixth or seventh. Tadayuki Okada, who's working on the 800cc development program with Honda said, "I never expected Nicky to be in the top five with our bike today."

In that case, I don't think anyone would be saying, given that information, "Oh, Honda is sabotaging Nicky by not giving him parts." I think we'd be THANKING them for giving him the best chance of winning this year, allowing him to ride a bike he WANTS to ride. Biaggi was clearly upset over developing the bike last year; Nicky has been more diplomatic and has made every effort to not rankle HRC.

HRC did NOT bring out that package because they thought it would work, as evident by Okada's quote. Nicky and his crew are doing their best to give him the best setup on race day, but as evident at races like Donnington, they just couldn't get the bike to fly in the dry.

And while it's great that Honda's pursuit of technological superiority is great, I think the criticism is that it sucks that Hayden, who seems to be a great rider, with great talent, who's on the cusp of really coming into his own, not being in a veteran's shadow anymore and finally being HRC's #1 rider, that he can really do it this year.

And let me just add, it's a testament of how great a rider he is to be where he's at, not just #1 with HRC, but #1 in MotoGP right now, to take a hodge-podge bike and be where he is. He's definitely mentioned he's riding with a bit more of a chip on his shoulder, particularly because so many are expecting him not to reach the potential he was labeled with coming into GP.

With that said, Laguna is going to be awesome this year and I hope that HRC gives him every, EVERY, chance to repeat and retain his crown at Laguna!
 
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