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I am a professional detailer (I have been trained buy both ASE and Meguiars) for automotive services in detailing. I am certified and employed to train people on how to use Meguiar's products correctly and well as educating enthusists on how to properly keep there bikes. As you can imagine this all translates directly to cleaning and detailing bikes.

There is a post asking about simple green for cleaning materials on bikes, so I will offer these suggestions and I will debunk some myths from experince.

1) Simple Green should not be used for anything but the chain (if that). Simple Green is outlawed by NASA and the aeronatutical (sp) industry because it weakens the surface of metals and will lead to pitting at the very least. It is a powerful degresser (and I have used it on tires in the past) but it also is very corrosive, there are better products that do the job just as well. Also there are reports of Simple Green killing plastic over time (drying it out and causing staining as well). Also Simple Green is murder for paint because it does not provide enough lubrication to safely escort dirt away from the paint with out leaving micro scratches and it quickly strips waxes from the surface. It may lead to paint drying out and cause problems down the road.

2) Pledge. Again I am agianst this for several reasons. A) It does not provide enough lubrication to safely escort dirt and dust away from the surface without leaving micro scratches (which look like swirl marks in the sunlight, often called cob or spiderwebbign). B) It removes any true automotive wax that is down on the surface. C) It leaves behind a film that is designed to be used for wood product. This film is what seals the paint (but still offeres no UV protection) and what also causes it to appear shinny, but it is a false shine as it just a layer on top of the clear coat.

To truely care for a cars paint (or motorcycle's for that matters) you should follow a 5-step method of surface care...

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2409

I hope this helps, and if you have any specific questions, please post them here...
 

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Very useful information. And thank you for stating you connection to Meguiars so we didn't have to hear the accusations. What is your take on Honda Polish?
 

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What about plexus. that is what I use on the plastic and my shield. Its made for plastic and it works awesome.
 

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I don't have a lot of experince with Honda Polish other than I know its not a true "polish". What I believe it is, is a chemical cleaner (which softens mineral deposits to wipe away water spots), and a filler/glaze (which leaves a small amount of product behind to "fill" in micro scratching so the surface appears smooth, and leaves behind a small amount of protection. It also appears to have a surface lubricant so that it removes dust and light contamination from the surface with out installing scratches...

As far as Plexus, I think its a very well researched product. However, I would not, at any point use it on anything that contains paint or a clear coat. As long as the surface you are cleaning is plastic (I believe windshield has a small coating on it, that does nothing but scratch anyways) it is a great product.
 

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No, I recommend Sonus products, Plexus is great, and I have no problem with Honda Polish, though I do not feel comfortable making a recommendation on a product that I do not have alot of experince with.

Also, most of the products I use cannot be purchased at an Autostore because I use professional grade products, so I do not claim to be an expert on ever product.

As far as OTC products, I have had success using Mothers, Meguiars (obviously), Sonus, and Zymol products. However I will only give recommendations on products I am familiar with.
 

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Also, where did I say we should only use Meguiars products. I praised Plexus, and said be careful not use it on painted surfaces, it is a plastic cleaner and polish, NOT a paint cleaner and polish.

As far as Honda, I don't have enough experince with it in general, though I have found that all in one products do not have the same ablities or potential to do every job as well as product dedicated to doing everystep soley. I have reread my post and do not see myself even recommend any Meguiar's products, so I don't understand your pissy attitude 919?

But I have years of experince in caring for cars and motorcycles as well as professional training and make a decent living fixing other people's mistakes, so I am sorry if I am trying to help you guys from making some on your bikes. But I love my bike like a child, and I wouldn't do anything to harm it if I knew better.
 

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Appreciate the info thman. Always willing to listen to a professional that can help us make our bikes look better.

From what you've used, what would you recommend that's not real expensive....ie, less than 20-30 bucks max.
 

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I use Plexus on my windshields and for my visors...thats what it's made for! It works great. I don't think I would use it on the entire bike though.

I carry a pocket size sprayer of plexus with a small cloth in my undertail compartment for when we stop ,I can clean the bugs off my visor.
 

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What ever happened to a good old bucket of soapy water and a garden hose? (then the wax)
 

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thank you for stopping by and informing us. i appreciate the info. however, i've been using simple green to clean my engine bay for my car.. been doing it for years and never had problems.. should i stop? 5 steps to cleaning the car.. oh mann thats a lot.. i dont think my arms could handle all that in one day. lol so u wanna come over and make my car showroom condition?
 

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"What ever happened to a good old bucket of soapy water and a garden hose? (then the wax)"

Nothing, infact that is the best way to mantain the surface of a vehicle. I wash my cars every week (with soap and water and a garden hose) and my bike probably every two weeks. I wax both every 2 months to maintain the surface I have created by doing the 5 steps. I also park outside, so I use a spray wax or "booster" wax every month on my car, to help mantain the coat of wax.

The 5 steps mostly pertain to deep cleaning and "perfecting" or "detailing" the surface of the paint so it looks new and perfect. I only "detail" my vehicles when the surface is showing wear, which is not often at all. The last time I "detailed" my paint was last year and the surface still has zero swirls.

"however, i've been using simple green to clean my engine bay for my car.. been doing it for years and never had problems.. should i stop? 5 steps to cleaning the car.. oh mann thats a lot.. i dont think my arms could handle all that in one day. lol so u wanna come over and make my car showroom condition?"

Simple Green is like playing with fire. I do not doubt it works (it is sold in concentrate, Simple Green recommonds a 1:1 ratio for cleaning drive ways and highly soiled areas and as little as 40:1 for household chores). But it is like playing with fire. You can get similar results with products made for cleaning automotive stuff with out having to worry. If you had polished aluminum under the hood you would notice on the first drop that the surface would become hazy. It would then pit under use. The finish on most machined parts under the hood is dull and rough (sand cast) so you might not notice the damage at all, but I still wouldn't take the risk. Using Simple Green on paint is crazy though!
 

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Well its a good thing I'm not blasting my bike into outer space. I have been using Simple Green longer than you have been certified, with nothing falling off the bikes and I seem to be missing all the swirls you mentioned. Its all in the mix. Keep using what you were trained to use and I will keep using what I know works.
 

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I know you don't have a lot of sun in Alaska, but if you wouldn't mind pulling your bike out in direct sunlight and taking a picture of the reflection of the sun on your paint, I would really appericate it.

As far as you using what works, congrats. You have no wax and no protection on your bike. You are doing more harm then you know, now you might not notice it for a while, since most bikes are parked inside and out of UV rays, you definetaly have swirls, please post a picture) and you are drying out the paint. The effects should not be as drastic as a car that is parked outside all the time, but trust me you are doing harm to your bike. If you don't care, thats fine. I have support my family on fixing the harm that people such as yourself do to your vehiciles.
 

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Man this guy takes the time out of hid day to try and help us with our bikes and you guys tear him up, thats messed up

I am not trying to tear him up. I am just stating what I have been doing for over 10 years now. If you want to listen to him thats fine. I have my own opinions on what works.
 

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Don't have alot of sun in Alaska? You know in the summer months we might only get 2 to 3 hours of darkness? Its like 20 hours of daylight. In July the sun almost doesn't go down. As for swirl marks......... I am blessed with the magic Honda paint, if you look at it wrong it swirls, any one with a black CBR knows this. Soft paint, no clear on plastic tank covers. MMmmmmm pics lets see.............
 
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