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Okay,

So let me start off by telling you that i want a motorcycle more than i can handle. Now not so much as to skew my smarts and go do something stupid, but i want one bad. And am willing to pull 2 jobs in order to make it happen.

So ive been looking at the 04 Red/Blk 600RR for quite some time now, and to be honest, thats all ive had my eye on. Reasonably priced, and hell, its a Honda.

So my neighbor rides (used to) a BMW R1150RT Sport Touring bike. Nice one too. So like 1 week ago, im comming home from work, and i see a motorcycle on our street. but DANG its headlights are bright. So he passes me and I see it. BRAND NEW 03 Ducati 749s in RED. :)

I almost had a heartattack. I have dissed the looks and styling of the Duc's from pics ive seen on the net, but let me tell you, when you see one in person. You TOTALY do a 180 and gawk at its styling and stature.

So monday afternoon, im getting ready to leave and he pulls up on it. Naturally we talk, and im just in awe. It is truly the Ferrari of Motorcycles. Besides the fact that its Italian.

Long story short, he traded in his BMW for the Ducati, in favor of a more aggressive ride, and to go out to a track and race. Which btw i didnt know there was a track in the DFW area.

So he tells me that he got it from a place just south of us called " Advanced Motor Sports ". It is owned by a guy named "Jeff Nash". Heres his resume:

2000 AMA Pro Thunder Champion   
1999 AMA Pro Thunder 6th Overall   
1998 AHRMA Sound Of Singles Champion   
1998 AHRMA Sound Of Thunder Champion   
1997 AHRMA Sound Of Singles Champion   
1997 WERA Formula Clubman Expert Champion   
1997 WERA Lightweight Twins Expert Champion

So me and my dad headed up there today and were amazed by these machines. Jeff was super cool in explaining all the details about the bikes to us. They even let you test ride them!!!!!

My dad was looking at bikes too. He was eying the Honda ST1300 and the BMW R1150RT. But Ducati makes the Multistrada 1000DS and the Sporttouring ST4s w/ ABS. Both nice machines.

And they freekin had a 999 sitting there, with all carbon fiber bodywork unpainted. I cant even describe it.

So my real delema. Is,

WHAT THE HELL DO I GET?

Id be nice to save bout $5000 on the honda 600rr but omg the Ducati 749s is amazing. I sat on my neighbors and 2 at the dealers. They're amazing. Everything is freeking adjustable. The rearsets, the triple-clamp, the gastank, the seat, handlebars, everything! Plus have you seen the guages. Genious! Full readout of everything you could want to know bout the bike while your moving.

I posted this here to see what others thought about the bike in general and if anyone has had any experience with one or knows someone who has.

I want to know what the dependability of them are, the resale, the performance (compared to a Jap bike), the maintence.

Plus, its not always a bad idea to buy a bike from a company that is centered around; you guessed it " Making Motorcycles ".

Also, the ducati's use only the L-Twin engines. Not inline 4's like Honda or Yamaha, etc. I didnt have much time to Jeff about them or the diffirence. I seem to remeber the L-Twins being more tourqey at the lower end. And Jeff also said the L-Twins are more stable than a V-Twin or Inline4. Let me know what you think or know.

Btw, heres what they look like for those that dont know:

 

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1) they're slow as phuck
2) run hot as hell
3) resetting valve timings every 6k miles
4) lose a shietload on resale value... moreso then jap bikes.
 

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Nevermind the expense of purchasing one. THe expense of owning one is too high.

As far as everything being adjustable, Once you set it where you like, you never move it. For the $5000 you save, you can buy rearsets and clip ons to make the bike fit. Nevermind insurance.

As far as the Twin thing goes, the HONDA RC51 has been whooping Ducati's ass in the motor dept since 2000.
 

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If you get the Speed Channel, watch the world superbike/supersport races. The 749 races with the 600s and I have yet to see them win ANYTHING. I have heard they are slow, expensive (both to purchase and maintain), and as reliable as a Buell.

So, the bottom line is: What do you want in a bike?

If you want an awesome, reliable ride, (that I think is also beautiful to look at) go with the RR.

If you want people to think it looks good, (parked at the dealership getting repaired every couple months) and for people to think you have money, get the Duc - after all you can get a better view of my new Jardine from behind. ;-)
 

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Plus Ducatis emit something from the lower flux capacitor that makes your testicles shrink over time. I think this was on 48 hours or another news show.
 

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+1 to everything above. I rode my buddies kitted out 748 at Laguna last year. Ppphhhfff. There's alot of hype about Duc's but there not for me. We swapped bikes and he rode my R6. He came back with the biggest grin and I came back :scratch: I thought the 600RR was heavy. It's nothing compared to the Duc. They have good midrange but man no top end. Sure you could drop another $4k into a 748/749 but why?? The best thing about the Duc's are their super narrow frame/tank, very much like a TZ 250, which I loved.
 

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dang... so much duc hating... I've owned a few bikes but my duc is still my favorite... it's got a personality that the suzuki/honda didn't and even though sometimes i wanted to kick her to the curb one twist of the throttle brought the "testical shrivialing" sound back to my ears and made me smile again. That and it's soo easy to pic up chics w/ the ducati :lol2: I have been activly pursueing (yeah spelt wrong) a 600rr for months now, i'm so close yet the thought of puting the ducati up for sale is almost painful. anyways i'll go back under my flame retardent blanket while you continue :roll:
 

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ive owned a 750 ss and a 748 bp both were lovely bikes BUT both were a fourtune to maintaine and to insure and i always had the thought in the back of my head is it today its going to break down. A ducati is brought with the heart but a honda is brought with the head. also my rr wipes the floor with the new 749 and i have a fat wallet to make make me a happy bunnie to lol
 

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If its costing you $5K more to buy, imagine how much more it will cost to fix if crashed!!

Bikers might be impressed by the Ducati. But for non-bikers (and most of the opposite sex) a sport bike is a sport bike. So if you are depending on whom you are aiming to impress, you could save the 5 Gs and get the same appeal..
 

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I almost got the 749 before settling on the 600rr. Even had my deposit down on a yellow monoposto. Here's my $.02.
Yes the new Duc superbikes look awesome. Again Ducati comes out with a bike that stands apart. I love, I mean really love the lines on the 600rr but the styling difference between the japanese bikes are still just little variations of the same thing. Like everyone else when I saw what was to replace the 916/998 line I expected pure porn on two wheels. When I first saw pictures of the 999 I went "what?". That is until I actually got to see one and get a leg over it. Yes it's a little odd looking but really looks awesome. The japanese bikes will probably look like the Ducati ten years from now like they now have stylistic nods to the 916. It may not be your idea of style but you can't deny the Ducs' don't have the styling part down. Ergo wise the 749 felt so right. It really did feel like a 250 gp bike. I used to have an NSR250 that I have missed ever since I had to sell it. The 749 was saying remember this. It's like getting in bed with a hot girl that reminds you of the hottest girl you've ever been with. It felt so balanced. We spend a lot on our bikes to trick them out. Wheels, rearsets, lights, signals, carbon this, billet that. The 749 stock was super trick. Yeah the best instrument face in the biz. Love that machined billet triple clamp. The only thing that looked factory was the exhaust. Everything else looked custom. Really apart from an aftermarket can I wouldn't touch a thing on it for a streetbike. As far as insurance? Not as bad as you would think. I did a comparison between the 600rr and the 749 in my considerations for purchase. The ducati was actually cheaper for full coverage than just liability, fire/theft on the 600rr. I asked why. My insurance agent said it was statistics. Since ducatis are more expensive the owners tend to be older and less prone to the hormonal judgement lapses that affect the riders record. Less of them are involved in accidents. Less claims lower rates. So why didn't I end up with the 749? Well.. Apart from the financial straits getting would put me in I looked into the costs of parts and maintenance. The high price tag is just the ticket in the door. The parts almost all come from Italy. They are expensive. Think 1 /2 to twice as expensive as anything on our bikes. That's if they have it. Spares are sometimes scarce. Oh you need a new clutch? "Sorry we have none in stock but are expecting a shipment from Italy sometime in the next 3 weeks. We'll call you" What about routine maintenance? I can't remember the interval but you need a valve adjustment something like every other oil change. Those gear driven valves need to be just so or your bike is going to have a decrepit life. Then there's the reliability factor that's been known with the previous Ducatis. Of course they say "this is an all new bike, new technology, those issues were with the past bikes." Gee the salesman wouldn't lie to me would he? Since the 999/749 were new and unproven I didn't feel like being a beta tester for their new machine. It seemed like the 749 would be quite an experience to own not just ride. As far as performance? Well I wasn't looking for a track bike and I don't race on the street so I'm sure it had all the performance I needed. I didn't need to see how it stacked up spec wise in magazines against the 600/fours. It's a lame pissing match. If I owned the 749 I don't think I really would have cared if Joe Blow's Gixxer was faster. Those ducatis really do have a feel the japanese bikes just don't quite have. Flame away. If you haven't riden one you don't know. In the end I went with the 600rr. Not because I was settling. I was in awe of the 600rr. I wasn't even considering the other 600s. It was the ducati or the 600rr for me. It was pretty even in the lust category. What tipped it was the reliability, lower service costs, and the $4G in savings. A bike I wanted equally bad being $4000 dollars less? I'm not completely stupid. All in all I made the right choice. Would I still like to have a 749? Oh yes but I'm not going to kick the 600rr out of bed for it.
 

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fendiecbr said:
Okay,

It is truly the Ferrari of Motorcycles. Besides the fact that its Italian.


Where do you think Ferraris are made?
 

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thanks bklyn-rr,

that makes alot of things more clear to me. In the end ill prolly go with the RR, again like you said, not settling, just opting the other way.

The Ducati would kill me probibly with the maintence on it, etc.

Plus the guy at the dealer even said. We dont make money on the bikes. We make our money in service and parts.

Thanks again.
 

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that dealer is a liar. he makes money on the bike too. more in parts and service, yes. but that is every dealership.

plus, an inline 4 is less responsive at lower revs which makes for a gentler learning curve for a new rider.
 
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