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So I am finally going to get myself a track day in Feb. and I was considering taking the beginner school with fastrackriders.com. I have been riding consistently for over a year and I feel I could handle a track day without the school, but I'm wondering if the extra instruction is worth $125. Can you guys help me out with this?
 

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I would do the school... Since its your first track day and your kinda new to riding.. . Since its only 125 more doesn't seem like a bad deal..
 

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I didnt do the school but have taken advantage of the control riders at various trackdays. I think instruction is worth it. no experience with fastrack except they put on good trackdays and people speak highly of the instruction.

Having said that, try a trackday with http://www.sportbiketracktime.com/ as they include instruction for free and I've also heard good things about them.

either way, be prepared to dump your wallet into tires and trackdays because its addicting like crazy.
 

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I've discussed this extensively locally. We've come to the conclusion that it would be best to attend one or two trackdays in the beginner group with the control riders to get a feel for the track and learn the layout, That way, when you do the school, you are able to put all your focus on learning the techniques they teach, and not have to get aquainted with the track at the same time.
 

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Yes to gettig more educated . . . . . the Pridmore school is worth your $$$ also. . . . Jason's dad Rich can really rip ass ! ! ! ! . . . I'll try to join you for that trackday too ;o)
 

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Take the school, you will probably learn that you didn't know near as much as you thought you did. Street riding teaches you nothing about riding on the track, it is two totally different worlds.
 

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isn't riding the track consider taking a safety course for insurance purposes? can you actually get ur insurance lowered by getting certificates saying u passed track school?
 

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TrikyWoo said:
isn't riding the track consider taking a safety course for insurance purposes? can you actually get ur insurance lowered by getting certificates saying u passed track school?

I doubt it. Insurance companies are more concerned with defensive riding courses like MSF or Rider's Edge.
 

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tiltedworld said:
Take the school. To be brutally honest...as a street rider you don't know jack. Don't worry, no one does on their first track day. You will learn more in one day than in the past year...
Amen to that.....
 

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without even needing to read what anyone else has written, I have to say that from an instructors and riders standpoint you would sesrver your (and everyone elses) interests best by taking the school.

You need to look at the honest truth that you have NO trackday experience at all. And thats not a bad thing. Everyone needs to start somewhere.

But consider this; You get your own personal track guide. You get instruction on how to use reference points, cones and markers. You HAVE to know what all the flags mean and how to react to them at pace.

You also do not know anyone in the organization. This gives you an opportunity to meet some people and also get assistance with any of your setup.

Take the school, do a few track days then look at taking a focused class or an advanced class. This will yield you the best result. Waiting a few days to "maximize" your track school experience sounds like a good idea but it is more like a nail in a coffin. I could probably teach you more in a paragraph or 10 minutes with a dry erase board than you would pick up over 2 track days ridinng by yourself. It's not because I am some amazing instructor but because there is simply no replacment for experience in this sport. If you negate taking the class to "maximize" your actual instruction for all you know, you can total your bike by making a simple mistake that you would of learned how to deal with or not do on day 1.

One good sentence from an instructor can add years of value and benefit to your riding.

So do yourself, friends, family members and fellow track riders a favor by taking the class. If it turns out to be what you deem a joke then so be it. But if you walk away with one valuable piece of information you can use then its done its job. Be smart, be methodical, be constructed in your approach to getting aquainted with the track and getting up to pace. You will find it works much better that way.

And even though I am a coach and have expert-class race status, I still ask for advice regualarly and I still go to track schools.
 

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sargeek1975 said:
If it's anything like the ART class that TPM teaches I would say to skip it if you honestly and truely are fast out there. You would be bored to tears.
Just be careful with the advice that you give others. He may not be in the same performance category as you were when you got involved with track riding.

I have some people that don't belong in the ART basic class but have to take it as per rules of every track club out there. Then there are people that should take it more than once and have an assigned coach all day. People fall across the whole spectrum.

You just can't assume a persons ability or make assumptions based upon your previous experience.

I always say, if ever in doubt, ask. That is why there are coaches and instructors. And if you are concerened about your ability or want to step it up, take a class.

In my quest to make it to the AMA (if to at least qualify for an event) I will be spending a pretty chunk of change on professional instruction. And it's always the smallest piece of information that has seemed to make the biggest difference to me.
 

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That's why I said this:
sargeek1975 said:
I would have to know what the school teaches first.................
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sargeek1975 said:
if you honestly and truely are fast out there.



I do think schools are a good idea, even taken one myself (Ed Bargy) and plan on others.


But you don't neccesarilly need a school of instruction to be in the beginner group for a track day, if you are fast. I know that fast is a relative term and the track is just that; a track.

But you know that type of rider I'm talking about....................you've ridden with that certain guy who's never set foot on a track, but when you get out there with him on those windy roads he's keeping up with you or you're having a hard time keeping up with him.

IF this guy happens to be someone like that then an intro class to a track day is a pointless waste of time.

Teach him the flags and other basics and let him go. Most beginner groups don't let you pass on the inside and even some don't let you pass in a turn at all.




If he's being given the choice then he has a choice; to school or not to school. Asking dudes on an internet board who have never seen him ride is prolly not the best way to find that deciding factor.
 

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I think the money would be well spent on the school. Getting some one on one with someone giving you firsthand feedback really helps. You'll be glad you did it.
 

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Disco said:
So I am finally going to get myself a track day in Feb. and I was considering taking the beginner school with fastrackriders.com. I have been riding consistently for over a year and I feel I could handle a track day without the school, but I'm wondering if the extra instruction is worth $125. Can you guys help me out with this?
Disco, it's worth it. Even if you ride the canyons 20 million times a year, riding on the track is so much different. There's riding lines to consider, maybe your body positioning is not as it should be, they'll help with you setting up the gears and tips for sections of the track. It really is worth it in my opinion. I've ridden a full track year and I still think instruction will help to improve your riding on and off the track.

Good luck and you're going to have a blast. Say goodbye to a low balance on your credit cards and goodbye to the cash in your bank...you're definitely going to get addicted!!! :)
 
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