lol. those arent mass produced engines. costs too much to produce.
gp bikes for the street ?
since ducati has been putting out ( in limited quantity ) the ducati d16rr desmo, how come we dont see other companies putting out bikes of such high quality ? why no bike with an rc211v engin ? or a yamaha m1 engin in it?
even troy bayliss said ( if i spelled his name right ) in a review that the ducati 1198 bike only had a few different changes compared to his gp bike.
Now i know nothing about the current 1 liter bikes as i have been out of the sport bike game since about 06 and iam just getting back into it but you think for say 17k honda could put out some vary slight gp styled liter bike and so could every one else, not saying that current production bikes suck i think the new fireblade looks pretty slick... iam just simply asking
even troy bayliss said ( if i spelled his name right ) in a review that the ducati 1198 bike only had a few different changes compared to his gp bike.
Now i know nothing about the current 1 liter bikes as i have been out of the sport bike game since about 06 and iam just getting back into it but you think for say 17k honda could put out some vary slight gp styled liter bike and so could every one else, not saying that current production bikes suck i think the new fireblade looks pretty slick... iam just simply asking
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well i heard buell (which is no longer owned by HD btw) is coming out with a bike so similar to the gp brother that all you need is a different headgasket to make it the same
but i think for one thing is its not cost effective, the computer systems they use are far more advanced with features they figure are useless on the street or are to expensive to mass produce
but really if you rule out the computer systems, whats really left thats different from our bikes? exhaust, we have a starter, gearing, obvious safety equipment, and engine and im sure theirs something different with the transmissions too
im sure in due time though, i mean we already see their coming out with things like abs and selectable performance maps
i do have one question though, you saw troy said theirs not much different from his bike to a stock 1198...but arent gp bikes 800cc's? that would, to me, be a huge difference
but i think for one thing is its not cost effective, the computer systems they use are far more advanced with features they figure are useless on the street or are to expensive to mass produce
but really if you rule out the computer systems, whats really left thats different from our bikes? exhaust, we have a starter, gearing, obvious safety equipment, and engine and im sure theirs something different with the transmissions too
im sure in due time though, i mean we already see their coming out with things like abs and selectable performance maps
i do have one question though, you saw troy said theirs not much different from his bike to a stock 1198...but arent gp bikes 800cc's? that would, to me, be a huge difference
well i heard buell (which is no longer owned by HD btw) is coming out with a bike so similar to the gp brother that all you need is a different headgasket to make it the same
but i think for one thing is its not cost effective, the computer systems they use are far more advanced with features they figure are useless on the street or are to expensive to mass produce
but really if you rule out the computer systems, whats really left thats different from our bikes? exhaust, we have a starter, gearing, obvious safety equipment, and engine and im sure theirs something different with the transmissions too
im sure in due time though, i mean we already see their coming out with things like abs and selectable performance maps
i do have one question though, you saw troy said theirs not much different from his bike to a stock 1198...but arent gp bikes 800cc's? that would, to me, be a huge difference
well i honestly dont know how many cc a gp bike is... and idk you would have to ask troy ... i seen the interview on youtube.
iam not saying to have an exact replica rc211v engin in the bike but look at the ducati desmo d16rr from what i have gathered that pretty much is a gp bike minus the head lights and various other small crap... sure the bike is like 50k and they only make 2k of them every now and then but if honda came out with something that looked just like a 211v plastics wise and some other little carbon bits and the proper exhaust... and it was like 30 k.. ya id go for one
You're asking for the impossible. A cheap GP bike. Plus a new Desmo is in the $75k ballpark. $50 for a used one. Although it is rumored that Honda wants to build a V4 powered Superbike, nothing like the Desmo but closer to a RSV-4 Factory.
Why would you want something like that to ride on street? We dont even use the hp that our current 600/1000 dish out on the street. (legally) Just does not make any sense to desire such a high quality machine that only get tipped over in the parking lot one afternoon or sink into the pavement!
That's what I'm saying, those bikes would be pointless on the street. For one, they would overheat constantly (no fans), you would have to rev the hell out of them to take off in first gear (launch control all the time, anyone?) and a bunch of other things that make them unfit for street use. Would they be an absolute blast, though... HELL YEAH! Maybe for a one-day or once a year blast but they are not very, um, practical or cheap (isn't a lease for a RC212V somewhere in the neighborhood of $3-5 million?). Nice thought, though.
Damian
Damian
why do people buy bugati super cars ? why do they buy pagani zonda's ? thats why i want to ride a gp bike out on the street... BLING BLING thats why
But Bugatti's and Zonda's both have the accroutements of normal road cars, such as A/C, regular-ish seats, etc. A GP Bike doesn't even have a starter!
Damian
Damian
why do people buy bugati super cars ? why do they buy pagani zonda's ? thats why i want to ride a gp bike out on the street... BLING BLING thats why
You want bling? Ugh grab a gixxer and chrome and stretch the hell out of it! Oh and dont forget the Mohawk:gun1:.
jkjk:ciao:
well its obvious you would have to put a starter on it.... the gumpert super car does not have ac... and hell the seats dont even adjust for the rider lol and its like 3 or 4 million dollars.
Who gave you internet access?why do people buy bugati super cars ? why do they buy pagani zonda's ? thats why i want to ride a gp bike out on the street... BLING BLING thats why
Ever seen the video of a guy running his bugati into a lake (for insurance money, but he failed lol)?
Imagine idiots on a GP bike. ****.
Who gave you internet access?
Ever seen the video of a guy running his bugati into a lake (for insurance money, but he failed lol)?
Imagine idiots on a GP bike. ****.
luckily for you iam not an idiot so i think i can be trusted with a gp bike :bootyshak
Ducati D16rr was a motogp bike for the street. if i remember correctly the only differences were; tires, lights, mirrors, speedo, carbon brakes, and a couple other minor things.
Buell has NEVER made a GP bike, not the new company, not the old company. the EBR 1190rs is very similar to the bike that they just began racing in AMA American Superbike. with the major differences being that the street version has; lights, license plate, EPA crap, speedo, some other little things and does not have the 20lbs ballast needed to meet the race weight requirements.
the world superbike series is based off production bikes. so the riders do race R1's, CBR1000rr and what not, they arent stock but they are based off of stock bikes. they are NOT GP bikes.
you are also refering to Bayliss in world superbike when he rode a 1198r, which again, is not a GP bike but based off a stock production bike
there have been instances where GP riders needed track time so they did ride production bikes. Rossi did this prior to this season, he rode a 1198r.
Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, and Kawasaki(if they ever go back to GP) will not make GP bikes for the street because it isnt cost effective. plus they are all struggling to sell bikes as it is. besides, its like buying a 150k kia just because one like it is raced. its still a kia.
Buell has NEVER made a GP bike, not the new company, not the old company. the EBR 1190rs is very similar to the bike that they just began racing in AMA American Superbike. with the major differences being that the street version has; lights, license plate, EPA crap, speedo, some other little things and does not have the 20lbs ballast needed to meet the race weight requirements.
the world superbike series is based off production bikes. so the riders do race R1's, CBR1000rr and what not, they arent stock but they are based off of stock bikes. they are NOT GP bikes.
you are also refering to Bayliss in world superbike when he rode a 1198r, which again, is not a GP bike but based off a stock production bike
there have been instances where GP riders needed track time so they did ride production bikes. Rossi did this prior to this season, he rode a 1198r.
Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, and Kawasaki(if they ever go back to GP) will not make GP bikes for the street because it isnt cost effective. plus they are all struggling to sell bikes as it is. besides, its like buying a 150k kia just because one like it is raced. its still a kia.
The D16RR has the same cast monobloc Brembo's My 1098S has, and those forks are FG look-alikes also.
The motor and tranny are amazing, and cost $30K to build (USD). The carbon body work and other one-offs are expensive to produce as well. It's not meant to be ridden daily, It's the 2000 mile a year kind of bike, but nothing is better on the street IMHO.
The motor and tranny are amazing, and cost $30K to build (USD). The carbon body work and other one-offs are expensive to produce as well. It's not meant to be ridden daily, It's the 2000 mile a year kind of bike, but nothing is better on the street IMHO.
your an idiot if you are willing to buy a 70k honda because its a GP replica. not saying you would, but thats what the ducati cost and i wouldn't expect it to be much cheaper for a jap brand.luckily for you iam not an idiot so i think i can be trusted with a gp bike :bootyshak
plus you've been out of the game since 06, if i had a GP replica i wouldn't trust you to sit on it. just saying.
Buell makes a GP bike? That's news to me!well i heard buell (which is no longer owned by HD btw) is coming out with a bike so similar to the gp brother that all you need is a different headgasket to make it the same
While I see nothing wrong with Honda selling what could be deemed as a "super bike", there is definitely a problem with a street-going version of a GP bike. Once the bike is branded for street use, there are DOT and EPA regulations which bite into the profit potential of the project.
I do; however, think it would be a good idea to offer non-registrable version of the street bikes utilizing higher compression pistons, lower gearing, forged wheels, race tires, upgraded brakes, a tunable ECU, no emissions systems, race plastics, etc...
Track prepped bikes off the showroom floor would be badass but I would never expect to register them for street use; not that a registration is a deal breaker on street use for a lot of people...
I do; however, think it would be a good idea to offer non-registrable version of the street bikes utilizing higher compression pistons, lower gearing, forged wheels, race tires, upgraded brakes, a tunable ECU, no emissions systems, race plastics, etc...
Track prepped bikes off the showroom floor would be badass but I would never expect to register them for street use; not that a registration is a deal breaker on street use for a lot of people...
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