[BroChaos]

couple of things i was wondering about, but too scared to try on my own.

when you hop on the freeway, and want to cruise in 6th, can you shift up multiple times without letting out the clutch? is it a bad/harmful habit? i do it when downshifting, just not sure if it's common when going up.


random question: if you are in say 4th gear, doing say 45mph, at however many rpms that is (~5000 maybe?), and then pull in the clutch, shift to first, and let off the clutch, what happens?

 

[exo600]

for the first one you should just shift threw the gears so if something is going to happen your in some part of the powerband to move out of the way quick enough.

second I dont know give it a try I suppose the bike would lurch forward really fast and maybe lock up the rear. Sh1t your pants... sumthin like that .

 

[BroChaos]

ok, well one thing i've read a few times, but never fully understood, is looping the bike. i'm assuming that meant going past the 12 o'clock position and flipping over. i don't ride wheelies, and i'm actually wanting to avoid doing them, so i figured the best way to do that would be to read about how people do them. so my third question is, can you/how do you loop a bike?

 

[wuclan99]

First one-you can do that without harm.
Second one-you will get a great amount of engine braking if you don't match the revs. If you get it wrong, the rear wheel will be hopping all over the palce. I would not suggest that you try this one.

 

[madbrown75]

You keep going up in your wheelie until you fall off and your bike cartwheels down the street without you.

 

[raptor]

so my third question is, can you/how do you loop a bike?

I suppose, other than trying a wheelie, it is easy to flip a bike if you dump the clutch while trying to take off from stand still very fast.

can you shift up multiple times without letting out the clutch?

Yes you can, but you'll probably find it hard to do. This is because the engine speed will drop, to the engine and transmission speeds will be mismatched. While trying to click into 4th/ 5th/ 5th gear at idle speed (what your revs will drop to while holding in the clutch), the gearbox will be clunky and resist moving.

I don't think its bad for anything other than the gearbox syncromesh, but even that is hardy. Its just a pointless habit. Ride through your gears - its part of what makes riding fun! And you'll get good at it soon.

if you are in say 4th gear, doing say 45mph, at however many rpms that is (~5000 maybe?), and then pull in the clutch, shift to first, and let off the clutch, what happens?

This is not good. As wuclan99 said, your back wheel will probably lock up and you might see your arse. If you let the clutch out slowly, then you could get away with it. But again, its a bad habit unless you're doing it for a reason. Racers "block shift" to save time while coming up to corners. But they are experienced and know what to expect.

If you really want to see what happens, block shift from 6th to, say, 3rd at 50mph and quickly release the clutch. The rev's will jump, the bike will lurch and you might hit your nuts on the tank. Then imagine doing the same into 1st. Its way more violent.

Hope that helps.

 

[thesoonerkid]

clutchless shifting doesnt really hurt ur bike as long as you dont try to force it into gear, and you let off the throttle when you click up. I always use the clutch to downshift. As far as downshifting to 45, it wont be that bad...your bike can get to 45 in first gear...if you want something that will really let you feel what these guys are talking about then try putting it in first when youre going 70 and report back what happens

 

[BroChaos]

I suppose, other than trying a wheelie, it is easy to flip a bike if you dump the clutch while trying to take off from stand still very fast.

...snip...

so, if you are holding in the clutch, rev up the engine, start to let out on the clutch, and then just fully let go of the clutch, the front tire could possibly come all the way up?

 

[cbrdeju]

couple of things i was wondering about, but too scared to try on my own.

when you hop on the freeway, and want to cruise in 6th, can you shift up multiple times without letting out the clutch? is it a bad/harmful habit? i do it when downshifting, just not sure if it's common when going up.

You shouldnt have any issues, just remember to blip the throttle to match revs.

random question: if you are in say 4th gear, doing say 45mph, at however many rpms that is (~5000 maybe?), and then pull in the clutch, shift to first, and let off the clutch, what happens?

if you just dump the clutch, your rear tire is gonna skip around quite a bit. remember, first is not a cruising gear, just a starting gear. second gear is about as low as you want to go if you want to downshift for more power until you learn your bike. remember though, whenever downshifting to blip the throttle to match engine revs to the speed you are going. this will be difficult to do at first, especially doing it while braking, but enventually it will become muscle memory, just like using the clutch to get the bike going.

so, if you are holding in the clutch, rev up the engine, start to let out on the clutch, and then just fully let go of the clutch, the front tire could possibly come all the way up?

possibly. just dont try it.

 

[raptor]

so, if you are holding in the clutch, rev up the engine, start to let out on the clutch, and then just fully let go of the clutch, the front tire could possibly come all the way up?

Dependant on my interpretation of what you are saying, one of two things could happen:

1. Revving the bike up high and letting the clutch out *very fast* - I used to *wheelie* my 50cc bike like that. Sure as hell won't try it on this bike. You'd be lucky if the back tyre breaks traction. Otherwise, I would expect the front wheel to lift violently.

2. Revving the bike high and letting out the clutch in a controlled manner - Take off like a rocket. Drag race baby!

When I want to pull away really quickly, I rev the bike to about 7000rpm and let out the clutch in a manner such that the front tyre is starting to skip along the ground. Drag racers will rev the tits off the bike and do similar. But noone in their right mind would "dump the clutch".

My best advice would be to start off slowly and build up to pulling away at high revs.

 

[Phrack]

couple of things i was wondering about, but too scared to try on my own.

when you hop on the freeway, and want to cruise in 6th, can you shift up multiple times without letting out the clutch? is it a bad/harmful habit? i do it when downshifting, just not sure if it's common when going up.


random question: if you are in say 4th gear, doing say 45mph, at however many rpms that is (~5000 maybe?), and then pull in the clutch, shift to first, and let off the clutch, what happens?

ive done it before, but I don't think it's good

 

[Guest]

when you hop on the freeway, and want to cruise in 6th, can you shift up multiple times without letting out the clutch? is it a bad/harmful habit? i do it when downshifting, just not sure if it's common when going up.

You're right, it's not common. However it causes no damage. I don't see it as a bad habit, but it does mean you make the bike scream a little to get up to speed. It's fun, but unnecessary.

random question: if you are in say 4th gear, doing say 45mph, at however many rpms that is (~5000 maybe?), and then pull in the clutch, shift to first, and let off the clutch, what happens?

Your back wheel will hop a bit and/or side around a lot. Your RPMs will jump as well, but the engine will brake the wheel and your speed will decrease, assuming you can save the bike.

 

[BroChaos]

thanks guys. stuff like this i didn't want to accidentally learn the hard way. i know when i'm getting off the freeway, i click down from 6 to 2nd usually, but i brake a lot, for a right hand "yield only" turn, no stopping needed. still working on smoother throttle and rpm matching. accellerating fast from a stop and even just shifting smoothly i think will just get better over time, i just need more practice. i always drove an automatic car, so the whole gear thing is still new to me.

 

[hessogood]

You need to take some rider training courses. You're asking how to ride the bike the wrong way. It will do nearly 80mph in 1st gear and you want to be in 6th at 45? Think about that.

 

[Guest]

You need to take some rider training courses. You're asking how to ride the bike the wrong way. It will do nearly 80mph in 1st gear and you want to be in 6th at 45? Think about that.

with 3 down in the back it will....

 

[rotts1]

Bro - Where are you located? In MI or CA? You should take some courses AND get out and ride with others who have been riding for awhile. Talk to them and make sure that they are good (not crazy/reckless) riders. That way, you can ask questions at stops and then try to apply what you learn. Until you are really comfortable with all this, I would stay off the highways!!

 

[raider600rr]

You dont need to be in 6th to cruise it, just keep your RPMs at about 7 to 8k thats a comfortable cruising range IMO, and dont skip any gears, thats pointless, and it doesnt take much time or effort to got thru them, all you will do is make the Engine work harder to get the RPMs up to match the gear, and you are risking the bike stalling.

the other question, well you would not need to do that if you didnt go thru all your gears at once.

A word of advice, Just because you have six gears does not mean you need to use all of them every time you leave a stop light. some bikes can go up to 100 mph in first gear before redlining just go thru them as you need them, Im not saying you have to redline every time, just as you need them, you and your bike will appreciate it, as you get more experienced you will know how far to push each gear

 

[TrevoRR]

Dependant on my interpretation of what you are saying, one of two things could happen:

1. Revving the bike up high and letting the clutch out *very fast* - I used to *wheelie* my 50cc bike like that. Sure as hell won't try it on this bike. You'd be lucky if the back tyre breaks traction. Otherwise, I would expect the front wheel to lift violently.

2. Revving the bike high and letting out the clutch in a controlled manner - Take off like a rocket. Drag race baby!

When I want to pull away really quickly, I rev the bike to about 7000rpm and let out the clutch in a manner such that the front tyre is starting to skip along the ground. Drag racers will rev the tits off the bike and do similar. But noone in their right mind would "dump the clutch".

My best advice would be to start off slowly and build up to pulling away at high revs.

Like he was saying... if you rev the bike up and let out on the clutch fast, it will come up and it will come up fast... I ride a lot of second gear sit downs and I get going about 45 mph and pull in the clutch, rev the bike up to about 9,000 rpms and in a way "dump the clutch".... I dont really dump it, but thats a good way of describing it... I started by dumping the clutch but now its more of a slip of the clutch very quickly!

But if your at a stop in first and rev and them let out of the clutch without feathering it, the bike will come up fast and hard.

 

[BroChaos]

Bro - Where are you located? In MI or CA? You should take some courses AND get out and ride with others who have been riding for awhile. Talk to them and make sure that they are good (not crazy/reckless) riders. That way, you can ask questions at stops and then try to apply what you learn. Until you are really comfortable with all this, I would stay off the highways!!

i live in cali. i've already taken msf, and i regularly ride with experienced riders. i ride the freeways every day, and i'm very comfortable (but not too comfortable ;-)) out there.

i think you guys missed my point...i know these things are WRONG. i'm not doing them, i was just curious what would happen if you did do them, and i didn't wanna try on my own to figure out. the only time i'm usually in 6th is on the freeway...so i'm definitely not doing 45 at the time.

 

[rotts1]

when you hop on the freeway, and want to cruise in 6th, can you shift up multiple times without letting out the clutch? is it a bad/harmful habit? i do it when downshifting, just not sure if it's common when going up.


random question: if you are in say 4th gear, doing say 45mph, at however many rpms that is (~5000 maybe?), and then pull in the clutch, shift to first, and let off the clutch, what happens?

1st question: Yes, you can do it. I doubt that it does any damage to the bike, if that is part of the question. It will make the engine work harder to get up to speed. Is it a bad habit, I would think so. I want to have power available to me when on the highway in case it's needed.

2nd question: Your back tire will lock up (temporarily) and either slide or bounce. It probably won't be that bad with the situation that you mentioned because of the indicated speed. 45mph in 4th gear is still going to be pretty low on the rpms. I'm usually hanging around 65mph in 3rd just for cruising, again I get to stay closer to the power band if needed.

Hope this helps.

What part of Cali??