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These disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views — but of the facts themselves. Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American. Drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades.

Really? Miss Pelossi? Really? Ive seen her shut down the herald of opposing views from the floor plenty of times. What a hypocrite. Oh wait, shes a dem, of course!
 

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Really? Miss Pelossi? Really? Ive seen her shut down the herald of opposing views from the floor plenty of times. What a hypocrite. Oh wait, shes a dem, of course!
Seriously, are you brain dead? You think republicans are not hypocrites? Here you go... now go thump that bible. This partisan politics sh*t is truly disgusting. Wake the f^ck up, neither side has your best interests in mind. Both side are so heavily lobbied and funded by corporations that none of them really care about your best interest. Sooner you realize that the better off you'll be.

This whole health care "debate" is a joke... most Americans don't even have a clue. You claim you want freedom of choice and you don't want bureaucrats running health care and that you don't want rationing... but you completely miss the fact that, that's ALREADY what you have.

You think the insurance company cares about you? Ha. They Love you so long as your part of the 80% that pays them without needing a cent in return. Once you get sick... majorly sick they try everything under under the sun to drop your ass. Once you've been dropped... you're f^cked because now you have a pre-condition and no one wants to insure you.

The really sad part is that corporations are using the stupid/uneducated and tricking them into going against their best interest. Wake up America, you can only keep hitting that snooze button for so long...
 

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Seriously, are you brain dead? You think republicans are not hypocrites? Here you go... now go thump that bible. This partisan politics sh*t is truly disgusting. Wake the f^ck up, neither side has your best interests in mind. Both side are so heavily lobbied and funded by corporations that none of them really care about your best interest. Sooner you realize that the better off you'll be.

This whole health care "debate" is a joke... most Americans don't even have a clue. You claim you want freedom of choice and you don't want bureaucrats running health care and that you don't want rationing... but you completely miss the fact that, that's ALREADY what you have.

You think the insurance company cares about you? Ha. They Love you so long as your part of the 80% that pays them without needing a cent in return. Once you get sick... majorly sick they try everything under under the sun to drop your ass. Once you've been dropped... you're f^cked because now you have a pre-condition and no one wants to insure you.

The really sad part is that corporations are using the stupid/uneducated and tricking them into going against their best interest. Wake up America, you can only keep hitting that snooze button for so long...
I am tired on Canadians involving themselves in American politics. You have no say. Get out of our debate.
 

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So then you admit to 'Drowning out opposing views'?

I'm just trying to understand how you took offense to that..
How did you interpret this from the post? That is a quote from the article. The reality is that she wants to push through legislation that will provide government run healthcare. I just hope when it gets here, it is as good and cheap as all of the other government programs...

If you want to reform healthcare -- fine. But a government option as support for coompetitiveness? Give it a rest. It is simply a point of view that is unsubstantiated. I need you to tell me ONE time that goverment run programs were an impetus to competition. I'll wait here.
 

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Well Powermoose, if you would STFU and listen to what people have say, even if they don't live here it doesn't mean they don't know what is going on, then you might learn something.

He is right, your just to stubborn and think because your an American that you know best, when you really must not!

So why are you pissed off again Powermoose?
 

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Wow, really? Can't attack the message so you attack the messenger... gotcha.
Right back at you...

Your message: Corporations are evil...I work for a corporation, as do a lot of other people. They are not evil. They are nothing more than vehicles designed to make money. That is their only purpose. Your demonization of them implies that making money is in some way perverse. Here is a news flash: people are incented by money. Kind words and friendship get you nowhere...

Jeepboy:

Your argument centers on the assumption that healthcare is a right.

Healthcare is not a right. Why is that so hard to accept? The preamble to the constitution (of the United States) says I am entitled to life. It does not say for how long or under what condition. Nor does it say that I am entitled to life at someone else's expense.

I am pissed because of your assumption. If you want to join some kind of health cooperative -- then do it -- but don't think for a second that the government is a good steward for it.
 

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So as a Californian I am to blame for not voting this woman into to congress? So any man/woman with an extreme liberal consensus that is able to appeal to the retarded masses is to blame? Ok, I guess there aren't any idiots or bad politicians in Georgia.:tard:
Dude, our governor prayed for rain during the last drought...We have plenty. You have an official exemption.
 

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This isn't a partisan issue to me. I hate both parties equally. When the Speaker of the House calls the public "Unamerican." I have an issue with that. My issue is with her trying to hide behind patriotism as a means to pass her socialist agenda.
 

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This bill will get passed. Regardless of whether it is in the interest of the people or not. Our government does not care what we say/think anymore and hasn't for a long time.

This whole plan is going to be a shift in profit. From private corporations who have worked hard to get to the level that they are at (see: capitalism) to the money going to the government. Therefore making it more powerful and even closer than what we are to a dictatorship.

Free country? Liberty? Haha, any fool who believes that ish need a wake up call. This is beyond dems/reps. The problem lies in government. End of story.
 

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Oh, and Miss Pelosi,

"Now — with Americans strongly supporting health insurance reform...."

This is a bold faced lie. Even some of your own Democrats are against this bill. The only people whom I have seen support this bill are from CANADA!
 

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This bill will get passed. Regardless of whether it is in the interest of the people or not. Our government does not care what we say/think anymore and hasn't for a long time.

This whole plan is going to be a shift in profit. From private corporations who have worked hard to get to the level that they are at (see: capitalism) to the money going to the government. Therefore making it more powerful and even closer than what we are to a dictatorship.

Free country? Liberty? Haha, any fool who believes that ish need a wake up call. This is beyond dems/reps. The problem lies in government. End of story.
LanCo, after all of our disagreements, that last segment written above makes me feel bad for being a jerk to you. I completely agree.
 

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Right back at you...
Right back at who? You say that like you actually made an argument. When have I ever attacked a messenger instead of the message? Please start citing some examples.

Your message: Corporations are evil...I work for a corporation, as do a lot of other people. They are not evil. They are nothing more than vehicles designed to make money. That is their only purpose. Your demonization of them implies that making money is in some way perverse. Here is a news flash: people are incented by money. Kind words and friendship get you nowhere...
First, that's not my message. But interesting attempt at twisting my words.

My message: The government is corrupt and infective because it no longer serves the best interest of the people... instead it serves the best interest of huge corporations.

I'm under no illusions what duties and responsibilities a corporation/businesses have. I understand that they're in it to make money... and I have ZERO problems with that. What I do have a problem with, is corruption and greed. Specially when the big guy with unlimited resources at hand is picking on the poor.

So you think it's perfectly fine for insurance companies to take your money while you're healthy and when you get sick to drop you on your ass? Because that's how corporations are making this money. Doesn't take a Harvard MBA to make money in those conditions...

You've obviously blind if you can't see the conflict of interest in corporations owning the government. The government is supposed to serve the PEOPLE of the United States of America... NOT corporations. If companies can simply buy off politicians they get to make their own rules and f^ck over the population.

You do realize that the US spends 2x more than ANY industrialized country in the world for health care right? You don't think this needs to be addressed? You have these CEOs making more in a single day (5000 - 6000 an hour) than an average American does all year. The way they're successful and make all this money is by throwing their customers on their ass when they need them most. Instead of the company incurring a slight financial loss they make their former customer bear the brunt of the loss and declare bankruptcy and lose EVERYTHING that they've worked so hard for their entire life.

But the only thing that matters in life is money right?
 

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How did you interpret this from the post? That is a quote from the article. The reality is that she wants to push through legislation that will provide government run healthcare. I just hope when it gets here, it is as good and cheap as all of the other government programs...

If you want to reform healthcare -- fine. But a government option as support for coompetitiveness? Give it a rest. It is simply a point of view that is unsubstantiated. I need you to tell me ONE time that goverment run programs were an impetus to competition. I'll wait here.
I interpreted this from your post topic titled "I have been called a lot of things. Unamerican has never been one of them..". If you feel that you are being called un-American then, that must mean you feel guilty for what was stated in the article.

And the only place it says un-American in that article is here:

"These disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views — but of the facts themselves. Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American. Drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades."


So according to that article, I assume that you are un-American because you drown out opposing views. Or have I completely gone crazy, and am unable to read your topic title?

I'm not crazy.
 
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