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Dani has been critical of HRC's choices, specifically going with MM93's preferences for the Repsol bike. Seems like he's being more vocal since he re-signed with Repsol. He's got a point, but at the same time, he's not #1 at Honda. It does suck for the other Honda riders as well, since the development freeze affects all of them, not just the Repsol team, but they can't exactly cater to the guys who haven't got a prayer of winning the championship. Maybe Dani should have gone to another team, if he's so unhappy with the direction of the bike development.
 

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I'm not saying that there aren't other teams that would want him, but he's not exactly a hot commodity amongst the top MotoGP teams. Count the number of MotoGP titles that he has won in the last couple of years......how about the last 5 years......how about forever?

Sometimes people stay in their comfort zone (making a very good living) and just don't have the desire/courage to do, or try to do, something different.
 

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I was all for him moving to Yamaha when that was being tossed around. I think he would have excelled on that bike. Honda's bike seems to be getting harder and harder to control with every passing season, and the fact that Dani can do it so well with his size and weight is amazing, as you'll hear every rider on the track say so. He seems pissed, and I wish he would have left Honda for either KTM or Yamaha to at least try his hand on another bike before his run is over. Marc is a maniac, and tailoring a bike to be ridden as such is bad news for other riders.


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Not a single person here has any idea AT ALL what he would be like with a different team. He's a damn good rider. He's also small and light. Total jockey.
 

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Not a single person here has any idea AT ALL what he would be like with a different team. He's a damn good rider. He's also small and light. Total jockey.

You can have an idea by how other riders talk about him, the way he a handles a bike, and how dangerous he would be on a Yamaha.


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Not a single person here has any idea AT ALL what he would be like with a different team. He's a damn good rider. He's also small and light. Total jockey.
We might ALL have ideas about how he might perform on another bike, but no one knows for sure.....that is a no brainer, so I'm not sure where you are going with that statement.

As far as my post, I certainly didn't say anything about how he might perform on another bike for another team. And you are right about one thing, he is a good rider. Unfortunately, he's become a "good" rider.....not a "great" rider....at the MotoGP level. He has/shows flashes of greatness, but nothing consistent.
 

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Good points Doom, he will no doubt end his career with Repsol Honda, i like Dani always have, certainly a great rider, prob the best "teammate" for Marc, not a rear threat to win, but will get on the podium nonetheless. Really too bad he has never won a championship in Moto GP.
 

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I thought DP26 was still capable of winning a MotoGP title, but only if he left Honda. By committing for another two years, he pretty much killed those chances. I just don't get why he still re-signed even though he could have gone to another team, he doesn't like the bike, and he knows it won't be catered to him.
 

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I thought DP26 was still capable of winning a MotoGP title, but only if he left Honda. By committing for another two years, he pretty much killed those chances. I just don't get why he still re-signed even though he could have gone to another team, he doesn't like the bike, and he knows it won't be catered to him.

It's a better career choice to have Hondas support after he stops racing.


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Dp is washed up. Well not rly but hes never gunna win a championship.

Hes good not great but everone on that grid is good
 

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Dp is washed up. Well not rly but hes never gunna win a championship.

Hes good not great but everone on that grid is good
I've read all season that he is having huge struggles riding this bike and I think if he could get on a bike with an engine (Honda or not) that he is more compatible with he could win a championship. If lorenzo doesn't do as well on the Ducati and Dp can get a little more consistent I think he has a shot in the upcoming seasons.
 

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I've read all season that he is having huge struggles riding this bike and I think if he could get on a bike with an engine (Honda or not) that he is more compatible with he could win a championship. If lorenzo doesn't do as well on the Ducati and Dp can get a little more consistent I think he has a shot in the upcoming seasons.
DP could win a championship, if certain circumstances went his way. If Lorenzo's debut season with Ducati is lackluster (likely) and if Valentino and Marquez have mechanical problems or get hurt, or get taken out by other riders, then he will have a good shot. Hey things like this have worked out before for a less than stellar rider *cough* Hayden*cough*cough*.
 

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I'm not saying that there aren't other teams that would want him, but he's not exactly a hot commodity amongst the top MotoGP teams. Count the number of MotoGP titles that he has won in the last couple of years......how about the last 5 years......how about forever?

Sometimes people stay in their comfort zone (making a very good living) and just don't have the desire/courage to do, or try to do, something different.

in the last 15 years there have been only 5 riders to win championships, and two of them aren't riding anymore, and one of them isn't really worth mentioning at all.

so you have rossi, lorenzo, or marquez

are you suggesting that anyone else on the grid isn't worth looking at because they haven't won championships?

pedro is still relevant and would be a welcome addition to many teams, he's still very much capable of running near the front
 

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in the last 15 years there have been only 5 riders to win championships, and two of them aren't riding anymore, and one of them isn't really worth mentioning at all.

so you have rossi, lorenzo, or marquez

are you suggesting that anyone else on the grid isn't worth looking at because they haven't won championships?

pedro is still relevant and would be a welcome addition to many teams, he's still very much capable of running near the front
What I'm suggesting is.......DP is a good rider with flashes of great. 99% of the time, flashes of great with a majority of good, doesn't win championships.

I also think that given the right set of circumstances, there are a lot of the riders that are capable of winning "a" race, as evidenced by this past race at Assen.....but again, winning a race or two will not convert to winning a championship.

Would Dani be more of a contender on a different bike, probably! But just like in all sports, the championships are decided by what actually happens and not by a bunch of "what ifs"!
 

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one of them isn't really worth mentioning at all.
Speaking of which, I can't help but be reminded of how HRC handled Nicky and Pedrosa after NH69 won his championship. This is eerily similar, just the shoe's on the other foot (And of course, DP26 hasn't won a championship).
 

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flashes of great with a majority of good, doesn't win championships.

I also think that given the right set of circumstances, there are a lot of the riders that are capable of winning "a" race, as evidenced by this past race at Assen.....but again, winning a race or two will not convert to winning a championship.

Would Dani be more of a contender on a different bike, probably! But just like in all sports, the championships are decided by what actually happens and not by a bunch of "what ifs"!
hayden was "good" in his championship year. he won because rossi lost.


pedrosa has been very close to winning championships only to have his season ruined by injury. this has happened more than once to the poor guy.


and the race at assen is a terrible example of other riders, the results were as such mostly due to DNFs and shitty circumstances
 

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pedrosa has been very close to winning championships only to have his season ruined by injury. this has happened more than once to the poor guy.
And that's my point exactly! It doesn't matter if you are talking about baseball and the world series, football and the superbowl, hockey and the stanley cup.......whatever sport. The biggest difference in that comparison is that in motorcycle racing, the rider is in the spotlight moreso than in team sports where one or two of the key players has a bad day/game/series. Of course we all know that the MotoGP team is made up of many components....mechanics, suspension techs, data/telemetry techs, etc, so they are important too, but the rider is the one in the spotlight

Dani has had his share of bad luck and injury, but again, that is true in any sport. And whether or not it is "fair", sometimes the other guy/team wins because of the better guy/team's bad luck or injury.
 

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then you're speaking in circles, because your first comment alluded to dani's lack of value because he hasn't won championships.
 

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How am I speaking in circles? He's 30 years old (not exactly in his prime as a MotoGP rider), he's never won a championship because he's never put together a long enough string of wins/points to do so, and his great riding is streaky at best. He's certainly capable of winning a race here and there, but mostly all the stars have to be in alignment for that to happen.....mostly the consistent winners have a tire issue, make a critical mistake, or crash out. And before anyone says look at Valentino, he's 37..........The G.O.A.T is by far the exception rather than the rule when it comes to still being a top rider at that age.
 
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