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The new Z4 car was won by world champion Casey Stoner, who dominated the session almost from start to finish, despite completing just nine laps.

Injured riders John Hopkins and Dani Pedrosa chose not to risk further damage and sat out the session.

Update: Testing should have continued for another two and a quarter hours after the BMW shootout, but the session was cancelled after further wind and rain damaged trackside hoardings. Stoner's BMW time was thus the fastest lap of the day.

The third and final day of testing at Jerez takes place on Monday.

1. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 49.263 secs
2. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team (B) 1min 50.580 secs
3. Nicky Hayden USA Repsol Honda Team (M) 1min 50.785 secs
4. Anthony West AUS Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 1min 50.799 secs
5. Andrea Dovizioso ITA JiR Scot Team (M) 1min 51.312 secs
6. Shinya Nakano JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 1min 51.594 secs
7. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 51.894 secs
8. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP (M) 1min 51.979 secs
9. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Alice Team (B) 1min 52.058 secs
10. Marco Melandri ITA Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 52.238 secs
11. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 1min 52.463 secs
12. James Toseland GBR Yamaha Tech 3 (M) 1min 52.755 secs
13. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 52.779 secs
14. Colin Edwards USA Yamaha Tech 3 (M) 1min 52.826 secs
15. Olivier Jacque FRA Kawasaki Test Rider (B) 1min 53.283 secs
16. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team (M) 1min 53.292 secs
17. Vittoriano Guareschi ITA Ducati Test Rider (B) 1min 54.694 secs
18. Nicola Canepa ITA Ducati Test Rider (B) 1min 57.453 secs
19. Toni Elias SPA Alice Team (B) 1min 57.698 secs

Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team (M) no time
John Hopkins USA Kawasaki Racing Team (B) no time
 

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Stoner is looking pretty badass this year, but Hayden is surprisingly fast as well. Can't wait for the season to start!
 

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Stoner is looking pretty badass this year, but Hayden is surprisingly fast as well. Can't wait for the season to start!


Agreed but look at the top speeds and you'll see the HONDA is down big time. If this is preview of things to come than the Ducati Factory team have done very well preparing themselves for the upped competition this year. I am praying and hoping we don't play follow the leader again this year.
 

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I don't know what you're talking about, but Nicky's Honda pulled down almost 282 km/h on the first day of testing, which was the only DRY day of testing. And according to the FP4 live timing, Nicky just pulled down a SCORCHER, 1'38.848, which is about a half second FASTER than Loris Capirossi's lap record in 2006 on a 990! And there's still 16 minutes left in the session. I don't see anyone breaking into the 1'38s today.
 

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According to Crash.net a few riders were caught out after waiting for the early rain to stop and the track conditions to improve. That would usually make sense but for whatever reasons there was less grip as the track dried compared to when it was wet earlier on.
 

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Here are monday's times. The first set of times all of the riders were on qualifiers I believe, and the second set of times are the riders race tire times.

1. Nicky Hayden USA Repsol Honda Team (M) 1min 38.848 secs
2. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team (M) 1min 39.252 secs
3. Andrea Dovizioso ITA JiR Scot Team (M) 1min 39.313 secs
4. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP (M) 1min 39.351 secs
5. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team (B) 1min 39.568 secs
6. James Toseland GBR Yamaha Tech 3 (M) 1min 39.727 secs
7. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 39.845 secs
8. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 1min 39.932 secs
9. Shinya Nakano JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 1min 40.333 secs
10. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 40.442 secs
11. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 40.576 secs
12. Anthony West AUS Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 1min 41.026 secs
13. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Alice Team (B) 1min 41.177 secs
14. Marco Melandri ITA Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 41.292 secs
15. Toni Elias SPA Alice Team (B) 1min 41.311 secs
16. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team (M) 1min 41.699 secs
17. Nicola Canepa ITA Ducati Test Rider (B) 1min 42.160 secs
18. John Hopkins USA Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 1min 42.970 secs
19. Olivier Jacque FRA Kawasaki Test Rider (B) 1min 43.496 secs
20. Vittoriano Guareschi ITA Ducati Test Rider (B) 1min 45.597 secs


Jerez test - race tyre lap times (Monday):

1. de Puniet (Honda) 1min 40.871secs (lap 5 of 5)
2. Stoner (Ducati) 1min 40.916secs (lap 1 of 2)
3. Dovizioso (Honda) 1min 40.933secs (lap 4 of 4)
4. Rossi (Yamaha) 1min 41.063secs (lap 2 of 6)
5. Hayden (Honda) 1min 41.210secs (lap 3 of 6).
6. de Angelis (Honda) 1min 41.264secs (lap 7 of 9)
7. Vermeulen (Suzuki) 1min 41.506secs (lap 3 of 3)
8. Capirossi (Suzuki) 1min 41.584secs (lap 2 of 3)
9. Toseland (Yamaha) 1min 41.619secs (lap 3 of 3)
10. Lorenzo (Yamaha) 1min 41.688secs (lap 3 of 4)
11. Pedrosa (Honda) 1min 41.699secs (lap 3 of 5)*
12. Nakano (Honda) 1min 41.701secs (lap 2 of 3)
13. Melandri (Ducati) 1min 41.932secs (lap 3 of 3)
14. West (Kawasaki) 1min 42.154secs (lap 1 of 11)
15. Elias (Ducati) 1min 42.588secs (lap 5 of 6)
16. Guintoli (Ducati) 1min 42.589secs (lap 7 of 7)
17. Hopkins (Kawasaki) 1min 42.970secs (lap 3 of 4)*
18 Colin Edwards (Yamaha) no time

* also their fastest lap of the day (did not use a qualifying tyre)
 

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Nicky's fast on a qualifier as always. I wonder what chassis/engine setup they were running? From what I read they will most likely be using the 08 chassis with the valve spring engine for the first 4-5 races and then try to bring in the pneumatic engine once it's up to par. I don't see how they are having so much trouble with the pneumatic engine considering Honda is the biggest engine manufacturer in the world.
 

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I don't know what you're talking about, but Nicky's Honda pulled down almost 282 km/h on the first day of testing, which was the only DRY day of testing. And according to the FP4 live timing, Nicky just pulled down a SCORCHER, 1'38.848, which is about a half second FASTER than Loris Capirossi's lap record in 2006 on a 990! And there's still 16 minutes left in the session. I don't see anyone breaking into the 1'38s today.

First off I am not talking about Nicky here, rather the machinery.


Here is what I am talking about:

QP for Jerez

1) Stoner --> Top Speed: 261.311 KM/H
2) Rossi --> Top Speed: 266.009 KM/H
3) Hayden --> Top Speed: 250.987 KM/H

11 KM/H is not easy to make up. Yeah conditions have a lot to do with, so do tires, but the machinery is still lacking in speed.

And yes Wet conditions are obviously different from dry conditions.

And for today's "SCORCHER" time, it seems like Hayden is on a Qualifier tire, not race compound. Let's see how the tire/pace is in a real race.
 

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You're right. It was in wet conditions, so you can't really what the judge top speed from those conditions. Funny how you say, "I am not talking about Nicky here, rather the machinery," and then go a list a bunch of riders names, including Nicky. Here's what I'm talking about:

HONDA: 281 km/h (Nicky); 279 km/h (Andrea); avg. 274 km/h (Gresini)
DUCATI: 279 km/h (Stoner); 277 km/h (Melandri); 281 km/h (Elias); 277 km/h (Guintoli)
YAMAHA: 282 km/h (Rossi); 276 km/h (Lorenzo); 274 km/h (Toseland)

These were the speeds from FP4, on drier conditions. Hmm, doesn't look too bad from Honda, especially since only Nicky and Dani are really used to running the standard engine. Incidentally, Hayden's SCORCHER was done with the conventional valved engine.

By the way, this is the same engine that Dani Pedrosa passed Stoner with down the Valencia straight at the end of the 2007 season, straight up, not even in his draft. Honda ain't hurting on power. Would they want more? Sure. All riders want more power. But it ain't hurtin'.

And buddy, Hayden's time on a qualifier... more than HALF a second faster than Dani's pole from last year. And certainly fast enough, during this official test to garner the circuit's FASTEST/BEST lap. Can't deny the record books, still faster than Capirex on a 990. And his real pace: 1'41.2 (good for 5th), but he's also leading the 16" tire tests for Michelin, which isn't a great tire yet.
 

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Nicky's fast on a qualifier as always. I wonder what chassis/engine setup they were running? From what I read they will most likely be using the 08 chassis with the valve spring engine for the first 4-5 races and then try to bring in the pneumatic engine once it's up to par. I don't see how they are having so much trouble with the pneumatic engine considering Honda is the biggest engine manufacturer in the world.
He was working on the conventional valve spring engine all day. Didn't even test the pneumatic. Here's what I think: Hayden opens up the season on the conventional standard engine, while Pedro-cry-baby will be on the pneumatic. Once the pneumatic has enough steam, both will be on the pneumatic.

This bodes well for Hayden because I think the standard engine is stronger at the moment. Pedro gets his wish to develop the bike, which sucks butt right now. I give it until Spain (Catalunya) before it's ready.
 

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Dude stop nit picking everything I am saying Jeez. :toothy4: All I was doing was showing pace of the top three bikes in the wet. Jeez bro... I am not out to blame Nicky for anything. lol.. Somebody help a brotha out. :wave:
 

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I personally don't care about them fancy numbers up their because they really don't mean much to me yet. Until all these bikes and riders roll out onto the race track and put all these fancy numbers behind them and let the skills do the talking. Those numbers don't mean anything. I don't care who's faster ether I just want to see some dam good racing this year. Which by the looks of them numbers it seems to be a better year for racing than last season. Racing is a whole different game then testing and qualifying IMO.
 

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I would agree and disagree. While the numbers may not mean much because people are still trying to figure out their settings and what not, for a rider like Nicky, some things are certain, especially since he's demolishing lap records during the test... Michelin has got some great qualifying rubber. And that bodes well for races when you know that their QP rubber has got the edge over their competitors. We've seen in almost all of the races, your only chance at winning a GP is if you start at the leading edge of the pack. It's almost impossible to make up any significant ground unless you happen to be on the short end of the tire stick (e.g. the Sachsenring). So, it may not mean who's the champion this year (in fact, nothing could be further from the truth), but it does give you an idea of who's got the tires, and who doesn't.
 
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