[RRFLYER]

Bought and read Twist of the Wrist II today...understood everything and learned a ton!(I think the book has probably already payed for itself in mistakes I won't make now)

The one thing I had a question about was in the stearing section. It talks about weighting the outside peg and the using knees to help lean the bike...is that right or am I completly off?

Thanks for the help sportbikes are a million times different than the cruisers I've always ridden!

 

[Guest]

Tuck your nuts into the tank and push onto the outside peg and lean and look through the turn. Once you start getting good you will learn to turn in with the inside peg. Keith code teaches different than freddy spencer..

See here http://bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=182633

 

[HRC]

The one thing I had a question about was in the stearing section. It talks about weighting the outside peg and the using knees to help lean the bike...is that right or am I completly off?

Just concentrate on weighting the inside peg for now. The outside peg is to get leverage to turn the bike. Gotta get on that inside peg to hold that line and get her through the turn. I'm sure Code has confused quite a few riders but that is a GREAT book and a must read for all newbies for sure.

 

[Disco]

I never worried about that, heck I still dont even know which of my pegs has more weight. Just learn to position your body the right way, the whole peg thing will come naturally.

 

[quasi888]

I'm sure Code has confused quite a few riders

Agreed. When talking about peg weighting, most people are referring to using it to tip the bike in (weight the inside peg during corner entry), or stand the bike up (weight the outside peg on corner exit). Code refers to peg weighting as a means of bracing your body so you can put in a more effective, stronger countersteering input.

 

[Harp]

Hmmm... I've read the books, watched the video, and attended one of Code's 2-day classes. This is what I do...

To turn in quickly, brace against the outside peg and push the bar with my inside hand (countersteer). The weight (bracing) on the outside peg is simply meant to help you push on the bar.

When the bike is leaned over, your weight will naturally shift to the inside peg. Actually, it's kind of hard for it not to when your hanging off.

 

[RRFLYER]

Thanks guys...wen't out this morning and rode a little bit...I think i got an understanding now.

Just need more practice!

 

[SilverSurfer]

I never worried about that, heck I still dont even know which of my pegs has more weight. Just learn to position your body the right way, the whole peg thing will come naturally.

Agreed. Too much confusion for new riders. It's more important to get the proper body position and learn to be smooth than it is weighting pegs.

Worry about that when you're really smooth.

Too many new riders get so focused on unimportant things like dragging knee or lap times when the main focus should be on learning to be smooth. The smoother you are, the faster you'll become.

Focus on vision, being smooth with everything (gas, brake, turns, etc) and everything else will start to follow.

 

[NewRedRider]

Agreed. Too much confusion for new riders. It's more important to get the proper body position and learn to be smooth than it is weighting pegs.

Worry about that when you're really smooth.

Too many new riders get so focused on unimportant things like dragging knee or lap times when the main focus should be on learning to be smooth. The smoother you are, the faster you'll become.

Focus on vision, being smooth with everything (gas, brake, turns, etc) and everything else will start to follow.

I couldn't agree more. Sometimes we can get caught up in so many details that we completely overlook the big picture. If anyone is still working on some of the basics such as braking, shifting, body postion, and being smooth, then I wouldn't be worrying about having the right weight on the right peg at the right time. Sometimes too many details can blur the image.

 

[socal]

First photo weighting the inside peg. Second photo I am weighting the outside peg. My o/s foot in the second photo is planted/angled to help pivot ag the tank. I clearly have more control and I am more relaxed in the second photo while weighting the outside peg.

 

[mandosgreat]

I hear the fastest riders have the smoothest hands...

 

[dayrock]

Hey man... The above guys all have valid points but don't get hung up on the peg weighting thing until you are racing. The bike, all bikes, are designed for easy turning around street traffic (and slow speeds on the track}.

Countersteering is minimum on the regular day to day activities. Slip your behind off the seat once in and a while and this will produce more benefit. Once your "racing" your will find yourself in sections that you need to physically steer the bike. "Counter steering" and then it will benefit you.

Just think about riding a bicycle... when you push on the bars, where do you go?

 

[CCSEX122]

First, physics isn't vague. Rules are rules and if there's confusion it's usually in someone's explanation... and that's the case here.

Second, please remember that Code pimped Dianetics for years and is a devout Scientologist. He believes that the Evil Xenu killed off his excess citizens (with the help of psychiatrists of course) and that their tortured souls (Thetans) are what cause all our ills today. So when he gets all touchy feely you need to take it for what it's worth. His technical insight is great, but in Twist II he got a little off topic IMO.

Lastly, and most importantly, a bike will turn faster and hold a line better with more weight on the inside peg, end of story. Likewise, it will have more rear grip with the weight on the outside peg ... like in controlling a slide. I don't have a link, but that vid of McCoy doing a smoking powerslide (I'm sure you've seen it) illustrates that. If you watch it closely you can see him shift his weight to control the slide.

To you guys who are learning, just get the basics from a reliable source and then figure the rest out by trial and error. A skill learned by doing is much stronger than by listening.

 

[socal]

First, physics isn't vague. Rules are rules and if there's confusion it's usually in someone's explanation... and that's the case here.

Second, please remember that Code pimped Dianetics for years and is a devout Scientologist. He believes that the Evil Xenu killed off his excess citizens (with the help of psychiatrists of course) and that their tortured souls (Thetans) are what cause all our ills today. So when he gets all touchy feely you need to take it for what it's worth. His technical insight is great, but in Twist II he got a little off topic IMO.

Lastly, and most importantly, a bike will turn faster and hold a line better with more weight on the inside peg, end of story. Likewise, it will have more rear grip with the weight on the outside peg ... like in controlling a slide. I don't have a link, but that vid of McCoy doing a smoking powerslide (I'm sure you've seen it) illustrates that. If you watch it closely you can see him shift his weight to control the slide.

To you guys who are learning, just get the basics from a reliable source and then figure the rest out by trial and error. A skill learned by doing is much stronger than by listening.

Relavance of his religious beliefs?? The outside peg- when weighted- becomes a pivot point. It allows the rider to take weight off of the seat and handle bars. Weighting the outside creates more rear wheel grip?? But even if that were true, the rider actually steers with the rear wheel @ speed. The front wheel merely stabilizes the bike. How this discussion also includes Gary McCoy "backing it in" is not clear. He "backs it in" until the revs meet the rear wheel spin- nothing to do with weighting the inside or outside peg. I encourage newer riders to ask questions and learn as much as they can before trying it on a bike.

 

[CCSEX122]

Relavance of his religious beliefs?? The outside peg- when weighted- becomes a pivot point. It allows the rider to take weight off of the seat and handle bars. Weighting the outside creates more rear wheel grip?? But even if that were true, the rider actually steers with the rear wheel @ speed. The front wheel merely stabilizes the bike. How this discussion also includes Gary McCoy "backing it in" is not clear. He "backs it in" until the revs meet the rear wheel spin- nothing to do with weighting the inside or outside peg. I encourage newer riders to ask questions and learn as much as they can before trying it on a bike.

Hmmm, fine job in getting EVERY point completely wrong. I should have never posted... this happens every time on this subject.

First, it's not a religion, it's an indication of mild insanity. I agree that the man's "religion" doesn't matter, but being a couch jumper does.

I'm well aware of rear wheel steering, I do it A LOT. If you want to try it with all the weight on the inside peg I'll schedule an ambulance for you. The way to safely do it is with the weight on the outside peg.

Who the hell said anything about backing it in? I'm talking about a powerslide... or I guess in your world, backing it out?

Finally, my point wasn't for new riders to go willy nilly and just feel everything out. It was for them to get the BASICS down first. Noobs spend so much time worrying about the most miniscule things that they miss the foundations. Riding at 75 percent of the bike's limit it doesn't matter WHICH peg your on... that's what I'm saying.

Code's reasons for saying that weighting the outside peg helps turn in are purely with respect to leverage, not the dynamics of the bike.