[mcobb533]

OK, as I posted about 6 weeks ago, had trouble with the RR starting, the shop picked it up, and they diagnosed that it was fouled plugs, that I wasn't riding it hard enough (I know, I will easily correct). This is because of the 1800 miles on the bike, most have been commuting a short distance (1.5 miles) to work and back.

Well, as the bike was in the stall to be repaired, the tech "dropped" the bike, or so they told me. Still, not that big of a deal, because they called immediately and told me, and were ordering the fairings to replace the ones they broke. That was beg. of Dec. A week goes by, "fairings haven't come in yet....", and so on and so on.

My wife gave me a set of frame sliders for Christmas, so I figured that the least they could do is install them for me for my trouble. I called the service manager, and he agreed. I brought them by a week ago.

So they call today (not the manager, he is out of town) and said it is ready. I was blown away when he said I owe them for the plugs, about $20 a piece!!! I said WHAT?!? He said, yeah, well it wasn't our fault you fouled your plugs. I was dumbfounded.

So do I go pick the bike up today, and pay this (because I should?) or what do you think? Do I owe them for plugs??? I would understand if the bike had 6k - 7k miles or something like that, and it was time for a change, but.....

HELP!

 

[EndlessRR]

I would say that it is riders fault for fouling up the plugs, so, with that said, yes, you have to pay for them.

 

[Guest]

i would tell that dealer they a bunch of morons. talk to the service manager and remind him that the bike is covered under warranty. also, let them know if they charge you for this b.s. now you will take it elsewhere in the future and they will lose money on the deal.

 

[Showmemuny]

I would agree,its the riders fault. 1.5 miles is not enough to even warm it up is it? :roll:
I think it sucks that they dropped your bike :x , I dont know if I'd go back to that dealer.

 

[Triman5]

I am no expert regarding fuel injection, but I am a certified tech (though I don't tech for a living). I have been riding and wrenching for 30 years and have never seen a set of fouled plugs on a four stroke unless the engine was burning huge amounts of oil. Flooded? Sure, maybe. But fouled? I don't think so. Two strokes are one thing. They can foul plugs fairly easily, but a four stroke with fuel injection? I think the chances of this are almost zero. Did you see the plugs? And after all, isn't FI about proper mixture in virtually any operating condition?

There must be a tech on the board who can answer this definitively.

 

[56cbr600rr]

go to www.cbr600rr.com and ask the guy named Hondatech. he's a knowledgeable straight forward honda technician. he can tell you honestly how to handle it.

 

[RR|Suki]

dude that is such ****, no matter how little you push it your plugs should not foul and if they do it sure as hell ain't your fault,not with minimal milage

 

[mcobb533]

I had never heard of plugs foulling(sp?) either. But he said mine is the 4th so far....

So hear is what has happened. I stewed on this for about 30 minutes, and I decided to call the owner of the dealership (he works on Saturdays).

We chat for a few minutes, then I get into what has happened. He was familiar with my bike because of the dropping incident. He said that yes, normally I would need to pay for the plugs, but under the circumstances, come pick up the bike and he'll get the plugs covered by warranty.

I good ending!

 

[Sugoi8]

Unlike the days of old, the computer on your 600rr controls the startup and enricher. Depending on temperature and how long you wait to warm the bike up, the computer has a default setting that will keep your enrichner on--and in some cases will keep in on for 10-15 miles. Soo- if you start the bike and ride off, the enrichner will keep the bike running rich--and U bet your *ss it will foul those $20/each plugs. If you read your warranty, those plugs fall into the consumables/no coverage hole.
The best way to avoid this, is let your bike warm up until the temp gauge reads "100" and the startup rpm has dropped to 1200rpm.
Sugoi8 :roll:

 

[nj600rr]

plugs fall into the consumables/no coverage hole.

yep

 

[mcobb533]

Unlike the days of old, the computer on your 600rr controls the startup and enricher. Depending on temperature and how long you wait to warm the bike up, the computer has a default setting that will keep your enrichner on--and in some cases will keep in on for 10-15 miles. Soo- if you start the bike and ride off, the enrichner will keep the bike running rich--and U bet your *ss it will foul those $20/each plugs.

Sorry for my ignorance, but what is the difference between letting it warm up (to 100), and just starting and riding off. I don't ride hard until the bike has warmed up.

I live in a "quiet" residential area, and go to work at 7:30am. With a Two Bros C5 pipe, I don't think a 10 minute warm-up period would go over very well! This thing is EXTREMELY LOUD!

What do I do?

 

[JASONRR]

Find new dealer or do it yourself. I don't like any of the dealers in my area anyways.

 

[Guest]

They are wear and tear items. BUT, read your manual and then tell your dealer that at no point does it state that you need to rev the piss out of your bike to not foul the plugs. I would say there's a fault with your FI. Make them eat it.

 

[Triman5]

Unlike the days of old, the computer on your 600rr controls the startup and enricher. Depending on temperature and how long you wait to warm the bike up, the computer has a default setting that will keep your enrichner on--and in some cases will keep in on for 10-15 miles. Soo- if you start the bike and ride off, the enrichner will keep the bike running rich--and U bet your *ss it will foul those $20/each plugs. If you read your warranty, those plugs fall into the consumables/no coverage hole.
The best way to avoid this, is let your bike warm up until the temp gauge reads "100" and the startup rpm has dropped to 1200rpm.
Sugoi8 :roll:

I am not an expert, as I said, bit I find this a bit difficult to understand. The ECM can adjust mixture continuously based on conditions. Why would it be programmed to run so rich that it could actually foul a plug? Makes no sense at all.

 

[superbob]

I had the same thing happen to my bike, the day before my wedding, I killed the battery because i tried starting for so long. The dealer came to my house 20 miles away, gave me new plugs and battery no qusetions asked and never charged me a penny. The best part was it wasnt even the dealer I bought the bike from. so no you should not have to pay for it. I only had 12 hundred miles on it

 

[snake]

i call bullsh*t they should pay

 

[GA_RR]

Unlike the days of old, the computer on your 600rr controls the startup and enricher. Depending on temperature and how long you wait to warm the bike up, the computer has a default setting that will keep your enrichner on--and in some cases will keep in on for 10-15 miles. Soo- if you start the bike and ride off, the enrichner will keep the bike running rich--and U bet your *ss it will foul those $20/each plugs.

Sorry for my ignorance, but what is the difference between letting it warm up (to 100), and just starting and riding off. I don't ride hard until the bike has warmed up.

I live in a "quiet" residential area, and go to work at 7:30am. With a Two Bros C5 pipe, I don't think a 10 minute warm-up period would go over very well! This thing is EXTREMELY LOUD!

What do I do?

While I am glad you were able to get it all paid for because it is kind of rediculous to have something mess up at 1200 miles. These are motorcycles, not civics and they do require a few more bothersome maintence procedures such as letting them warm up. I would be lying to say I don't start mine up sometimes and ride right off. But there is definitely a difference between the bike warming up at 1500-1600 RMPs and it going down the road where you at least have to be running 3-5K RMPs. Don't really know what to tell you about letting it warm up though with your neighborhood situation....could you let it warm in the gargage maybe 3-5 mins with the door closed jsut to get it to 100?
Best of luck to you with it, hopefully won't happen again.

 

[rezaRR]

put your stock pipe back on and from now on let it warm up to about 165 F before running off

oh wait... then cars wont notice you on the road anymore :roll: J/K

 

[havoc]

They are wear and tear items. BUT, read your manual and then tell your dealer that at no point does it state that you need to rev the piss out of your bike to not foul the plugs. I would say there's a fault with your FI. Make them eat it.

I agree. Yes, spark plugs are consumable items but its between the manufacturers stated service times. Besides, the manual doesn't tell you how to drive.

 

[RowskisRR]

What happened to just servicing spark plugs???? Why did they need to be replaced, 1200 miles, the electrodes weren't even close to being worn out. All they had to do was clean them out, make sure the gap was correct, and put them back in. $20 a piece, and I thought aircraft plugs were expensive. Glad to here they picked up the cost on that one.

Rowski