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I don't really "support" Obama, never have, but he's no where close to as terrible as people are leading on. Sure he's failed to do many things, but there's clearly a significant organized movement to discredit him and make his job more difficult than it already is. GOP is trying everything it can to make his job impossible and blow everything out of proportion.

For those with a reasonable perspective, I really thought this article was a great read. I found it to be a pretty realistic portrayal of the current political climate, and how things are clearly being done to the detriment of the country.
 

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I don't really "support" Obama, never have, but he's no where close to as terrible as people are leading on. Sure he's failed to do many things, but there's clearly a significant organized movement to discredit him and make his job more difficult than it already is. GOP is trying everything it can to make his job impossible and blow everything out of proportion.

For those with a reasonable perspective, I really thought this article was a great read. I found it to be a pretty realistic portrayal of the current political climate, and how things are clearly being done to the detriment of the country.
I'm glad there are some people who don't have a super right or super left agenda in this world. Too many people take slander for truth now a days.
 

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This is a no-win discussion. I won't be voting for him. He's discredited himself. The GOP hasn't presented me with an option I like at this point either.

It's not looking good for 2012.
 

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puppets, thats all.

obama is just a puppet.

going to read that article phil, still watching the deception video.
 

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This is a no-win discussion. I won't be voting for him. He's discredited himself. The GOP hasn't presented me with an option I like at this point either.

It's not looking good for 2012.
when in doubt vote for the senator from texas Ron Paul:cruising:
 

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was alex jones wrong when he said that it was a flat out criminal offense by federal law for political members of this country to meet with leaders of other countries in secret meetings?
so if obama and clintons and others attend said meetings...

phil are you deffending obama, lol
 

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was alex jones wrong when he said that it was a flat out criminal offense by federal law for political members of this country to meet with leaders of other countries in secret meetings?
so if obama and clintons and others attend said meetings...

phil are you deffending obama, lol
There have been so many "liberties" taken by governments that it wouldn't surprise me. The rule of law these days (more so than before) only seems to apply to those that don't have the money/connections to avoid getting caught.

Government doesn't give a sh*t if something is "illegal", they'll just change some definition in some book somewhere and those "secret" meetings will become national security meetings, tada legal! If that doesn't work they'll just pass a law that gives themselves retroactive immunity.
 

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dude, totally agree with that notion.
obama said he was going to repeal patiot act, then he voted to keep it. said he would
bring troops home, then doubled the numbers in afg.
rules do only seem to apply to those not rich enough to be in the club.


now theyre trying to pass a law that will censor the internet basically, have you seen that?

take away our freewill to obtain information, take away our guns, take away our purchasing power, take our homes take our jobs take our future and rob our children of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. makes me feel sick to my stomach
 

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recently i heard that the TSA was supposedly being transitioned to enforce the hiways and byways. random searches on the freeways 'to ensure public safety'
having TSA expand from airport security to hiway patrol is a scary thought.

i guess we have to ask ourselves if freedom is worth the cost of total safety.
it would be easy to visualize a world free of crime and violence when each individual is held in isolation like high security prison.

if there is a god why then do demons tend his garden
 

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dude, totally agree with that notion.
obama said he was going to repeal patiot act, then he voted to keep it. said he would
bring troops home, then doubled the numbers in afg.
To be fair, I don't believe Obama campaigned on the fact that he would repeal the patriot act, he had already voted in favor of it (and the retroactive FISA amendments) as a senator. To anyone that could look past populist rhetoric, it was pretty clear that Obama wasn't going to be as great as he made himself sound.

And you're mistaken about the bring home the troops thing. He said that he would bring troops home from Iraq, and focus the military efforts on Afghanistan. The Iraq thing as I understand it, had largely nothing to do with Obama... Bush and co. had already negotiated and signed (I think) the agreements that decided when the troops were leaving Iraq. Obama just followed through with those agreements.


And yes, I've seen the SOPA act stuff... Highly disturbing but pretty much par for the course these days.
 

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i try to be somewhat careful when i attempt to state facts, if you know thembetter i totally welcome them. ;)
i have no problem taking back anything i said if i am in the wrong.
 

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do you support the idea to abolish the fraudulent federal reserve bank?

at about 1 hr and 30 sec into that obama deception video, i am listening to alan greenspan say that the the fed is an independent agency and that no united states government branch has authority over it.

" well first of all the federal reserve is an independent agency, and that means basically that there is no other agency of government which can overrule actions that we take. so long as that is in place, and there is no evidence that the administration or the congress or anybody else is requesting that we do things other than what we think is the appropriate thing, then what the relationships are( between the president and the chairman of the fed) dont frankly matter." greenspan

i did my best to quote that as accurately as possible.

IIRC the constitution says that only the government shall coin money. the fed is a private bank, not a federal agency, and they control our money. they are not elected and they do not have the population to answer to.

been getting into politics just a bit recently and i am just really disturbed at what i find.
 

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I find that I am a lot happier if I don't watch the news, don't talk about politics, don't listen to the radio, don't get on the internet, etc.

Needless to say. I am not happy.

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the radio the news, govern, and a lot of the internet are owned by the same group of people, makes sense that you feel better not watching it.

i have not had cable TV in like a little over a year now. its great! i cant stand comercials and i really cant stand when people give a **** what a karashianslut is doing when there are more important things to be aware of.
its all a scandal in my opinion.

where do you plan on moving to?
 

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do you support the idea to abolish the fraudulent federal reserve bank?
I think abolishing the FED would be a good idea, mainly because it's a private entity that holds immense amount of power and it literally has no checks and balances. I'm not opposed to the idea of a central bank however. If the goal was to stabilize the economy for the long-term benefit of the country... Not the current policies of propping up consumerism by keeping interest rates artificially low so that everyone can go buy all this sh*t they don't need and can't really afford at the expense of grandma and grandpa's life savings.

been getting into politics just a bit recently and i am just really disturbed at what i find.
The deeper you dig, the more nauseous it will make you. I actively try to avoid most politics these days, otherwise I'd probably go insane. Way too much BS going on.
 

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Obama had the majority in the 1st half of his term and did nothing but put this country in debt , and kill jobs. I agree the two partiest need to stop bickering and find a solution to this before the country goes to **** but everything he's proposed is short term and just goin to make our debt bigger. Anyone in the gop will be better then Obama I honestly like Rick Perry because look at Texas and well that state is doing.
 
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