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I had never thought about this....

A blogger added up the deer license sales in just a handful of states and arrived at a striking conclusion:

There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of Wisconsin .

Allow me to restate that number.

Over the last several months, Wisconsin 's hunters became the eighth largest army in the world. More men under arms than in Iran. More than in France and Germany combined.

These men deployed to the woods of a single American state to hunt with firearms, and no persons were killed.

That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of Pennsylvania and Michigan 's 700,000 hunters. All of whom have now returned home safely.

Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally establishes the fact that...

The hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest armed force in the world.

The point?

America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower.

Hunting -- it's not just a way to fill the freezer. It's a matter of national security.

* * * * That's why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us disarmed!

* * * * Remember this when the idiots in Washington consider gun control legislation!










 

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Bring it on!!!!! Good luck trying to disarm us
 

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If disarming even got close, I bet the US would divide. Id rather be on the gun side.
 

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I don't think disarming is the right way to go, but a bit more regulations on your gun control measures could prevent deaths and murders.

Hunting rifles are not the problem - it's things like automatics and hand guns that leak on to the streets that are a problem

Canada doesn't allow automatics and we have VERY strict regulations on hand guns

I live in the Capital of Canada and we have only had 6 homicides this year so far - and half of those were not gun related. with that said a huge percentage of the people in our population own multiple guns
 

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Canadians and U.S Americans will most likely think different on this. Gun control isn't the problem. Stupid people is the problem. I think if we open carried we would have less problems. Stupid people 99% of the time will start shooting in a place they know doesn't allow firearms. Schools,banks. If they know that there are people around them that could be carrying then they would probably think twice about being stupid. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. I for one don't have enough trust in any government state or local entity to rely on them protecting me and my family. For this I will step up the plate.
This is just one persons view. I have never been to Canada, don't know how it is but I will say that if you take away one weapon they are probably just going to use something else. Bats,knifes etc.
 

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an armed society is a civil society.


the war on 'terror' is really just a war on the american citizens liberties.

ive been watching a lot of documentaries on the american revolution. just to keep fresh on the way things were before it finally boiled over.
 

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Prohibition. Not impossible to remove amendments. Extremely difficult, but possible.
 

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I don't think disarming is the right way to go, but a bit more regulations on your gun control measures could prevent deaths and murders.

Hunting rifles are not the problem - it's things like automatics and hand guns that leak on to the streets that are a problem

Canada doesn't allow automatics and we have VERY strict regulations on hand guns

I live in the Capital of Canada and we have only had 6 homicides this year so far - and half of those were not gun related. with that said a huge percentage of the people in our population own multiple guns

I have a hard time trying to discuss firearms and ownership with canadians... especially those of you who live in the French half...
I tend to have folks from Calgary see more along familiar lines when I talk with them... I try to be respectful of your culture and your lack of understanding of personal liberties and rights, realizing that you have never experienced them... but here in the States United, we are of a really different culture than yours and see things quite differently... I would never bad mouth your way of doing things, as I believe in the people doing what they want, and your being subjects rather than citizens seems to be what most eastern canadians want... and that is ok with me... but it will not fly here....
automatic weapons, handguns are not any problem at all.. it is people who are the problem.. and our lack of putting the bad guys away and keeping them there leads to our problems, firearms do not...
in no place where we have had more of our constitutional rights restored.. where handguns are on the streets in the hands of common citizens has the crime rate, has the violence rate risen.. in fact .. it has gone down...
in the States United the cities that have the most restrictive firearms laws, also happen to have the highest rate of violent crime...
our cultures are different and the reaction to our rights being taken away is different than your people have shown...our constitution affirms, it does not give us our right to own guns.... and that affirmation is to see to it that we have the right to defend ourselves against our government.. it has nothing to do with hunting or personal protection from the bad guys.. unless you consider the government as the bad guys, and more and more of us are getting to that point....
 

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I have a hard time trying to discuss firearms and ownership with Canadians... especially those of you who live in the French half...
I tend to have folks from Calgary see more along familiar lines when I talk with them... I try to be respectful of your culture and your lack of understanding of personal liberties and rights, realizing that you have never experienced them... but here in the States United, we are of a really different culture than yours and see things quite differently... I would never bad mouth your way of doing things, as I believe in the people doing what they want, and your being subjects rather than citizens seems to be what most eastern canadians want... and that is ok with me... but it will not fly here....
automatic weapons, handguns are not any problem at all.. it is people who are the problem.. and our lack of putting the bad guys away and keeping them there leads to our problems, firearms do not...
in no place where we have had more of our constitutional rights restored.. where handguns are on the streets in the hands of common citizens has the crime rate, has the violence rate risen.. in fact .. it has gone down...
in the States United the cities that have the most restrictive firearms laws, also happen to have the highest rate of violent crime...
our cultures are different and the reaction to our rights being taken away is different than your people have shown...our constitution affirms, it does not give us our right to own guns.... and that affirmation is to see to it that we have the right to defend ourselves against our government.. it has nothing to do with hunting or personal protection from the bad guys.. unless you consider the government as the bad guys, and more and more of us are getting to that point....

I agree that guns dont kill people its the STUPID people who kill. But dont you think that SEMI auto/auto guns give you a greater chance of killing more people quickly? How can you Regulate on STUPID people? people who want to own a gun go under some psychological test every 2-3 years to make sure are okay? I am not against gun i think its should be bit more regulated somehow thats all.

Would you say it would be okay that we should be able to own RPGs, Smaller anti air craft guns (to bring down RC planes for fun) or even a small missile or nuclear war head for pleasure purpose and hand grenades. its not the weapon that kill people its simple how many people you can kill with certain weapon in certain amount of time.

You can not eliminate stupid people there will always be some people who will take there guns and kill people for whatever reason why should they have access to it? May be they can simply go to a controlled place and use whatever gun they want to use or have there own gun but stored at controlled place/environment instead of home?....

Just cause someone is rich should be allowed to own F22 with all its ammunition for his fun on the weekend? next thing we know he is dropping bomb coz his GF dumped him lol...

Don't get me wrong i love guns and sometime i wish in Canada we have better laws so i can shoot some nice guns!!! :shakehand
 

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Obed, when you talk about the cities with the most restrictive gun laws having higher rates of crime, your connecting two things that are not independant of each other. could it be possible that the gun laws came into effect because of the stupid people committing these crimes? and either way, two events that are correlated doesnt mean they are intertwined indefinitely.

OP: im really glad America is Canadas neighbor :) i feel safe
 

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As for myself, being an AmeriCanadian (British Columbia & South Carolina), its pretty interesting the different ways both sides of the border view the "2nd amendment". Seems it all comes down simply to what each nations people hold up highest. For Canadians its (and im definitely not speaking for all canadians) the trio of Peace, Order, and Good Government, while America's declaration of independance defends each person’s absolute right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness(and thats of course not a legal document but a very important thing that came about in the American Rev.). So trying not to put anyone into a labeled box i would venture to say that Liberty is an important American virtue, and Stability is an important virtue to Canadians. I think this really does clear things a bit more in reference to whats been talked about..
and i just wrote a damn intro to a thesis.. :)

PS i would love to shoot an SKS one day. but as for now ill just live in BC and ski/bike/surf :)
 

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an armed society is a civil society.


the war on 'terror' is really just a war on the american citizens liberties.

I agree. A society without weapons is just as good as slaves and their owners. I'm not calling anyone a slave. It's a metaphor, so please don't take offense.

The war on terror? Ya, I'm right there with ya on that one. I think there's multiple wars on "terror" right now going on, both on our own ground, and the ground of others. The wars going on in our back yards are so subtle though that few pick up on them, or even care about them. Sure we have the right to bare arms, but who says what arms we can and cannot have? Also, it says nothing about munitions for those arms. Have you not noticed the severely rising cost in ammunition? It's outrageous!



I agree that guns dont kill people its the STUPID people who kill. But dont you think that SEMI auto/auto guns give you a greater chance of killing more people quickly? How can you Regulate on STUPID people? people who want to own a gun go under some psychological test every 2-3 years to make sure are okay? I am not against gun i think its should be bit more regulated somehow thats all.

Would you say it would be okay that we should be able to own RPGs, Smaller anti air craft guns (to bring down RC planes for fun) or even a small missile or nuclear war head for pleasure purpose and hand grenades. its not the weapon that kill people its simple how many people you can kill with certain weapon in certain amount of time.

You can not eliminate stupid people there will always be some people who will take there guns and kill people for whatever reason why should they have access to it? May be they can simply go to a controlled place and use whatever gun they want to use or have there own gun but stored at controlled place/environment instead of home?....

Just cause someone is rich should be allowed to own F22 with all its ammunition for his fun on the weekend? next thing we know he is dropping bomb coz his GF dumped him lol...

I think you're right, maybe they should have thorough psych screenings every few years. I'd be cool with that. But reguardless, it's not gonna stop some people. I think the screening process they have now is retarded though, does close to nothing.

RPGs, grenades? Really? Come on. There's a difference between small arms, and other weapons. You can do a hell of a lot more damage with one grenade then you could an entire clip from a 5.56 caliber AR-15. There's no need for larger weapons such as RPGs and grenades or rocket launchers. And Personal nukes? Really, you went there?(i'm seriously thinking starship troopers right now) There's no need for all that stuff, is the point. Small arms can both be personal protection, as well as recreational. The other stuff just gets into pure destruction and chaos. What i mean is, the area effected is much larger and the damage is much more sufficient. You fire a single RPG at someone's car, it's going up in a ball of flames, or at their house, it's gonna be halfway destroyed. You misfire a pistol or shotgun, far less damage would be done. There is an obvious difference. Bigger weapons are too dangerous for the average person to own(for their own safety), not to mention, they have no practical use. Well, besides the occasional go out in a field and blow up a barn or old car. Shooting a clip or 2 from a rifle, pistol, or shotgun, can be done much more easily. Let us not forget to mention what the police have. They don't usually have equipment to combat someone with an RPG, an extremely high powered rifle, or personal nuke. They'd be screwed like there aint no tomorrow. So keeping it to light arms, helps the police do their job better. ...sorta. You said it's not the weapon, it's how many people they can kill within a certain amount of time? Most light arms(which is all that's allowed) are pretty similar in that regard, once you get past light arms though, you multiply the numbers like crazy. What a morbid way to think about it. :-/

It's true, stupid people that are gonna kill others shouldn't have access to firearms, and a lot of those stupid people are denied access to them by the laws in place. However, they go elsewhere to where the laws are ignored, and get their weapons that way. Sadly, it's actually easier than one might think to purchase a weapon illegally. It's just like drugs, the govt. tries to get a hold on it, but they just can't keep up, and that sucks. And having to keep your firearm stored somewhere besides the home? What happens when a burglar breaks into your home, and because you woke up, threatens to kill you and your family? I would like to think I could pull my 12 gauge out from under my mattress and pump 4 into the a$$holes chest, instead of taking one to my head as my family watches because I couldn't keep my shotgun in my own home. But I do understand your point of view as well. You take the weapon away, it can't be used for good, nor evil.

Regulations only affect the good citizens of the society not the criminals.
It's true. Putting more and more laws on people is only stopping the good citizens and and maybe a few criminals from obtaining firearms. Bad people will still get what they want, some how, some way.

I forgot who said something about the places that have less strict gun laws, and allow open carrying of weapons to have far less crime. Hell, this isn't the first time I've heard of this, and I believe it. If you had everyone in a 711 carrying either a pistol or a rifle on their back, a robber would see that and probably think twice about pointing a firearm at the clerks face. Meanwhile, the place that he knows NO ONE is allowed to have a weapon on them, he knows he's good, and can walk all over that store taking everything everyone in there has. I say open carrying laws everywhere in the US.


Lets not forget to mention, there's less deaths caused from firearms per year than there are deaths from automobiles! A firearm is nothing more than a tool. Just as a pencil cannot write words without a hand using it, and a mind willing it. Or our bikes, won't fire up and drive around a track without you. Well, a pistol isn't going to shoot someone on it's own.
http://www.datamasher.org/mash-ups/firearm-deaths-vs-vehicle-deaths


I love firearms, I was raised around em, and I think they are necessary to own, and good plain fun to shoot. Never point a firearm at something you do not intend to destroy.
 

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With the media the way it is right now (crazy liberal if you look for it, crazy conservative if you look for it), the idea of rogue militias keeping tyranny in check is kind of terrifying...

Firearms today are a whole different category than they were when the second amendment was written. That being said, what is a "well regulated militia?" I would personally give up my right to own a .50 cal high rate machine gun if it prevented a crazy Rush Limbaugh listening conservative from getting one with his casino winnings. However, if there was a well-regulated and rational group organized to keep tyranny in check, I'd love for them to have a crazy machine gun.

Personal protection and sporting rights are one thing. Offensive strength is another.
 
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