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WSBK + MotoGP Championship questions?

Did they ever leave Laguna Seca, like MotoGp did, or have they stayed here all the time.
Why do they have 2 races per round?
How do the points work with this 2 race thingy?
Thanks fellas.

Oh and one more, you cats think someone/anyone will give Biaggi a ride next season?
 

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The first World Superbike races in the US were at Brainerd, MN. I'm not sure when they went to Laguna. I think they took over the Laguna race when the GP's quit coming sometime during in the late 90's.

They've had 2 races per round since the series started (1988) - but I don't know why.

You get points for each race separately (they don't score it like two motos in MX).

I don't think anyone will give Biaggi a ride.
 

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Hmmm, thanks, well since you answered it, do you think the 2 race method some kind of way to keep transportation costs down, by having less rounds and 2 races at each
 

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I think they did it for the spectators more than anything else. You get 2 races for the price of one. They still have a 12-round series, so that's plenty of races (even if they only did one per round). I remember watching races the first year of WSBK and wondering what was up with 2 races per round. I guess I'm just used to it now. The AMA has even started doing 2-race weekends in the past few years.
 

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I dont know man, i dont see Biaggi getting a ride with his attitude and all the talent these youngsters have. I think he's fuct.

That 2 round thing bugged me out for a minute man. and i just bought and watched 04, so i was like WTF. Thats why i had to ask.
 

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I dont know man, i dont see Biaggi getting a ride with his attitude and all the talent these youngsters have. I think he's fuct.
For the top factories that's true but he's definitely better than most of the satellitte riders. Apparently Luis D'Antin is looking to put him on one of his bikes next season and Ducati will be giving them much better support. I honestly can't think of anyone who is available that would be better in that seat.

I wouldn't take Biaggi over Rossi, Hayden, Pedrosa, Stoner, Melandri, Hopper, Vermeulen and probably Nakano but other than those guys Biaggi would be a step up.

Let it be noted that I've disliked him for a long time but I can't deny that he's a good rider and even in the aforemention group of riders I'd pick before him, he's won more races than all but Rossi.
 

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Good point.
I dont know, i hat ethe way he used to b!tch liek a 5 yo when he lost, and be all mad at the world. imen aseriously, dude, your a MotoGp racer, and a good one, whats your problem, but im just a mere mortal. WTF do i know abou tthat level of competition.
Whatever happens i dont ever wanna see him riding anything with a Wing on it.
 

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Good point.
I dont know, i hat ethe way he used to b!tch liek a 5 yo when he lost, and be all mad at the world. imen aseriously, dude, your a MotoGp racer, and a good one, whats your problem, but im just a mere mortal. WTF do i know abou tthat level of competition.
Well yeah, he's never going to win a championship and really his days are numbered. I don't think any of the current 250 guys are all that good but pretty soon some more new blood is going to come in and push guys like him out for good.

Even then, it might be sooner depending on how he rides next year and how much he bitches and moans.
Whatever happens i dont ever wanna see him riding anything with a Wing on it.
You can be 100% sure that won't happen.
 

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oh i know it wont happen. Hell them HRC cats are so vicious man, i think Hayden's days are numbered.
 

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oh i know it wont happen. Hell them HRC cats are so vicious man, i think Hayden's days are numbered.
Depends on whether he wins the championship. If he wins he stays, if not he goes. That's fair no?
 

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Depends on whether he wins the championship. If he wins he stays, if not he goes. That's fair no?
Yup considering hes had FOUR years to do it.

3 race wins in four years?? Heck Dani has 2 wins so far and was on the podium and had pole in his second race.
 

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Yup considering hes had FOUR years to do it.

3 race wins in four years?? Heck Dani has 2 wins so far and was on the podium and had pole in his second race.
Dani is special (or at least extra light) but yeah Nicky pretty much has to deliver the championship at this point. If not I would put Stoner in his place.
 

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I guess its fair. i dunno tho, HRC seems like they're meaner than the other teams.
 

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Biaggi will be back in GP next year most likely. If not he has options in WSBK.
Biaggi will have a hard time getting a MotoGP ride. He's ticked off Yamaha and Honda so neither will give him a ride. The only sponsor that will back him is Camel and they have Valentino (though I know Valentino does not like having a tobacco based sponsor).

Biaggi has been 'blacklisted' by Honda. If he comes back to MotoGP it will be either on a Suzuki or Kawasaki. Given neither of those bikes are competitive, I am betting they won't get out of the winter tests without him going public bashing the bike. Ducati may be an option if neither Hayden or Stoner move from Honda. However, I just can't see Ducati putting up with Biaggi's antics.

Personally I think Biaggi is GOOD for MotoGP. He brings both attitude and comic relief :)
 

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well since Biaggi was an engineers nightmare, because all he did was b!tch, how is he gonna go to a lesser bike and help them come up, when all he's gonna do after every race is say, "oh the bike, the bike was no good" how is that gonna help Kawi or Zuki
 

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I don't think hayden is doing too bad, considering he has to race against Rossi. Also factor in learning all the tracks and a new bike in 2003 (Pedrosa knew all the tracks from 250's). After Rossi, I think it is pretty even (for now) between Melandri, Hayden, Pedrosa, Capirossi, and even Stoner (when he doesn't crash). You could add 3 or 4 more riders to that list if their bikes were better.

Motogp race wins 2003-Present (61 total races)

Rossi 33
Gibernau 8
Capirossi 5
Melandri 4
Biaggi 3
Hayden 3
Pedrosa 2
Tamada 2
Barros 1
 

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Yup considering hes had FOUR years to do it.

3 race wins in four years?? Heck Dani has 2 wins so far and was on the podium and had pole in his second race.
Apples and Oranges.

When Nicky came into MotoGP the bikes were still relatively new and did not have traction control. It has taken them years to get them to the point they are at now.

Dani has had YEARS to learn all the European tracks and has more experience with them than does Nicky.

The GP bikes today handle and act more like the 250 bikes, not like a superbike (where Nicky came from).

Nicky is on the TEST bike (the platform the 800cc motor will be using). He is testing parts (that's why he can have stuff like last race with a burned clutch, bad setups, etc). His bike NEVER has the same setup as they are constantly changing/testing/evaluating parts. Nicky was NOT expected to challenge for the title this year on a bike under development. Considering the circumstances, he's doing a heck of a job.

Dani is riding last year's bike and his setup remains relatively unchanged from race to race (a little rebound or compression here or there). He doesn't have to concern himself with new parts, suspension components, changes to the geometry of the bike, new clutches and other gadgets.

Is Pedrosa doing well? Yes. Do I think he's talented? Yes I do. But I do not think he's the best rider in GP racing by a long shot. He still has a long way to go to match up with Valentino, Capirossi, Melandri, etc. He's on the best bike in MotoGP racing by far.

He's also 40lbs lighter than most of the riders so whether you believe it gives him an advatange or not (And yes, past Champs think it does) I don't believe that he's the second coming of Valentino. Nicky has shown that when he has a good setup that can get in front of and stay ahead of Dani.

I hope Nicky wins it this year so he can write his own ticket. It'd be a heck of an accomplishment since it's been some time since anyone NOT named Rossi has won it.
 

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