but the fact of the matter is " this is a blue VS red issue". lets look at the core issues here. democrates wants to raise taxes for everyone, they want to spend every dollar in their pocket including the money thats not in your pocket. they want to "protect" the people by writting laws that is against business, they want to "protect" the enviroment that end up driving most business away. while the republican is pro business, pro tax decrease, and less spending. in the current state, which one is more apporporate? people always bitching at Arnold saying he keeps on cutting budget and raise taxes, but who created this mess in the first place... did we all forget a guy name Gray Daves? He run the state to the rolling snowball of debt, he setup the laws to drive business away. guess what he is a democrat
It's only a red/blue issue because you make it out to be one... Fiscal irresponsibility isn't a red/blue issue, both sides should have a responsibility to design a budget that is fiscally responsible. And I don't see anything wrong with anti-business laws as long as they are in the best interest of the people. The governments need to start looking after the people they represent, not those with the biggest kickbacks to hand out.
Were you not the guy complaining about global warming a few months ago? Now you're upset with California's attempt to protect the environment... you can't have it both ways.
Either way, California is in quite a unique position seeing as it has a HUGE economy and it can afford to make make businesses pay to play. I think the progressive nature of California is very good for the rest of the country and the only reason they're able to pull most of it off is because of their huge economy.
Disco - I'm assuming you're older than me, as I'm 24 I was brought up on the "buy now, pay later" thing. Except when I did borrow money I never struggled to pay it back. I say you must be older, because from what I can remember, in my life it's never been shameful to borrow money, and go into debt, it was just "normal living" and that's where I think a lot of people specifically in my generation are screwing up. I borrow, but I only borrow what I can afford to pay back. I don't get behind on payments, where as some people say "Oh it's only a $10 fee.." Then that snowballs into 2 or 3 months behind, and some, like my friend, just stop paying his bills, thinking "They'll just go away".... A large part of our problem in the general publics fault, for spending too much of what they don't have. (Not saying that govt. didn't play a large roll also) It's not the credit card companies fault that they trusted you (generalization, not anyone in particular) with a large amount of credit, you used it, then weren't able to pay it back, so they jacked up your interest rate.. and you cry. Too f*cking bad.
I wouldn't say borrowing money was shameful, but it was extremely frowned upon for pretty much everything except the basics that people generally don't have enough money for... like house/car. I think the current system is beyond ridicules and the whole "I need to build up my credit" crap is just the bankers getting you tangled in their web. The major thing that credit does is that it helps you live beyond your means and get sh*t NOW. Back in the old days, if you couldn't afford it, you didn't buy it. Now days everyone can afford it because they have 20 different ways to put in on someones credit and pay for it in tiny bite size chunks... which causes that original item to cost 3x more.
People need to learn that they don't need everything NOW, that it's okay to wait a few months to save up the money and if after that time you haven't found something new/talked yourself out of getting it... than go buy it cash in hand.
When everything is perfect, credit is great... but as soon as you hit a bump in the road that's when your house of credit cards comes falling down on you. It's much easier to live life when you don't owe anyone anything... it CAN be done but requires more sacrifice than most are willing to do.