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Prison blues: States slimming down inmate meals

ATLANTA – The recession is hitting home for inmates, too: Some cash-strapped states are taking aim at prison menus.
Georgia prisoners already didn't get lunch on the weekends, and the Department of Corrections recently eliminated the midday meal on Fridays, too. Ohio may drop weekend breakfasts and offer brunch instead. Other states are cutting back on milk and fresh fruit.
Officials say prisoners are still getting enough calories, but family members and critics say the changes could make prisoners irritable and food a valuable commodity, increasing the possibility of violence.
In Georgia, inmates are still getting the same number of daily calories: 2,800 for men and 2,300 for women. The portions at breakfast and dinner are bigger on days only two meals are served.
Almost 5 percent of the state's 58,295 prisoners still get three meals every day because they are diabetic, pregnant or have other special health needs.
Barbara Helie, whose 25-year-old son Nicholas is serving time for armed robbery in Valdosta State Prison, said he would go hungry without the roughly $60 a week she puts into his account to buy instant soups, cheese, beef sticks and other snacks at the prison commissary.
"I don't know how the guys who don't have someone on the outside helping out handle it," Helie said. "Food has been an ongoing issue for him ... He's hungry a lot."
Georgia's fast-growing prison system — the fifth-largest in the nation — has been hit hard by the same budget woes plaguing other states. For the current fiscal year, the state has slashed almost 10 percent from the state Department of Corrections' $1.1 billion budget.
Friday lunches were a casualty of the department's decision to save money on gas and other costs by scaling back the prisoner work week from five eight-hour days to four 10-hour days, said Calvin Brown, Georgia Department of Corrections Deputy Director of Facility Operations. He couldn't say how much the state is saving.
For years now, Georgia prisoners have received only two meals a day on weekends because they don't work, so now the same holds true on Fridays. They get three meals on work days because they are exerting themselves on road crews and litter pick up.
There are no federal minimum caloric standards for state prison systems, though they are encouraged to adhere to guidelines established by the Institute of Medicine of the National Academies Food and Nutrition Board. Georgia officials say they follow those guidelines, and Brown said there have been some complaints from inmates and family members but no lawsuits.
In Ohio, prisons director Terry Collins said eliminating breakfast on the weekends and replacing it with brunch "could save us some real dollars when it comes to staffing and food costs."
He said the move would not upset prisoners because it would not sacrifice quality.
"I don't expect them to be as good as mom's home cooking, but the food should be cooked and presented properly," Collins said.
Other states have kept three meals but are scaling back menus. Earlier this month, Alabama reduced the milk and fresh fruit it serves to save $700,000. Alabama inmates now receive an apple or an orange once a week, down from twice a week. Milk has been reduced from seven servings per week to three. Tennessee has also cut back on milk portions for men — from two servings a day to one — to save $600,000.
Gordon Crews, a professor at Marshall University in West Virginia, wrote a book looking at correctional violence and said historically there have been links between food and problems behind bars. He pointed to a February riot at the Reeves County Detention Center in Texas caused in part by poor food quality.
"A lot of prisoners will see something like that as some kind of retribution against them or some kind of mistreatment," Crews said. "It'll be something that the correctional staff will pay the price for ... another reason (for inmates) to argue and fight back."
In Georgia, reports of inmate assaults — on both staff and other inmates — are up substantially for fiscal year 2009 over the year before, according to data obtained by The Associated Press through an open records request.
Prison officials deny the increase has anything to do with the shrinking menu but didn't provide an explanation.
Sara Totonchi, of the Southern Center for Human Rights, called the elimination of Friday lunch part of a troubling trend of budget cuts in Georgia's correctional system.
"We don't think this is a good idea," she said. "It destabilizes things inside the prison and that is not good for any of the inmates or staff."

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i say this is good. teach them crime committing people a lesson they wont forget. if they fight, shoot them.

i dont know why we are so worry about the well being of those pensioners, they are there because they committed a crime. where as a law following citizen like me would never have to worry about this stuff.

whats funny to me is that the mother in this article is complaining about how she have to spent 60 on her son's food. what does she have to bitch about. she field as a parent to teach her kid right and wrong. now shes paying the price. what she think prison is. its not a vocation spot where you go can chill.

so i say make them suffer, give them pain, emotionally and physically. the reason the current rehabilitation dont work is because they dont learn. from experience people learn best from pain.

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there are some prisoners in some prisons in other countries that would be happy to have two meals a day

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What they should do is cut back on the proteins, and give them more filler and fiber. That way it would be harder for them to bulk up during prison stays, so they aren't SUPER-CRIMINALS when they get out with everything they have learned in prison and all the time they have had to work out.


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awww...poor bastards.

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I have a really hard time feeling sorry for these people....
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bread and water unless their families bring more.

I lived in Saudi and that system works great there.

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Note to self: stay out of prison.
It's gonna be hard to do, but I'm gonna try my best.

They should just grind up the guys they execute and feed them to the rest of the prisoners.

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Note to self: stay out of prison.
It's gonna be hard to do, but I'm gonna try my best.

They should just grind up the guys they execute and feed them to the rest of the prisoners.
thats if they get though all the appeals

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Another reason to stay outta prison.
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personally I think they should fire the fat over paid lazy ******* guards first before cutting back on food.

Take it from some one whose visited our fine penal system over an issue of not having ID and being detained, less meals will mean more problems which means more guards which will worsen the situation not improve it.

I do however think pink jumpsuits, tent living and hard work is beneficial reform and tasering the really nasty people and posting there silly little screams on youtube - can't act hard when the whole world watches you pee your pants.

Oh and stop putting people in jail for hurting themselves, jail should protect us from other people, not people from themselves.

If they want to smoke crack till there eyeballs fall out fine thats there freedom, till they cross the line of hurting other people let them rot in there own world.
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Barbara Helie, whose 25-year-old son Nicholas is serving time for armed robbery in Valdosta State Prison, said he would go hungry without the roughly $60 a week she puts into his account to buy instant soups, cheese, beef sticks and other snacks at the prison commissary.
Didn't even realize there is a SNACK BAR in PRISON. Their 2 or 3 meals a day which comes out of OUR paychecks plus any extra snacks they get sounds like more food than I was able to get when I was in COLLEGE. lol
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going to jail for some people is like going on trip for a family reunion. you get to see brothers, uncles, cousins you haven't seen in awhile. hang around, play some b-ball, maybe some spades after lunch. and finish the day with some TV...nice life............

buy your own food like we do. prisons should be run as work camps. no work..no food.
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Note to self: stay out of prison.
It's gonna be hard to do, but I'm gonna try my best.

They should just grind up the guys they execute and feed them to the rest of the prisoners.
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Who cares??? Prison is supposed to suck.

Maybe, just maybe, if they stopped incarcerating non-violent drug offenders...we wouldn't have to pay so much! I am disliking the US more and more everyday...



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Who cares??? Prison is supposed to suck.

Maybe, just maybe, if they stopped incarcerating non-violent drug offenders...we wouldn't have to pay so much! I am disliking the US more and more everyday...
But... the private corporations that run all the prisons need more profit/inmates or wall street is going to get pissed. Priorities here folks, lets not worry about them stoners that go in as non-violent offenders but come out as hardened criminals. Rehabilitation is bad for business.
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This country has the largest prison population in the world.
That ought to tell you something about the police state we live in.
China, a communist country that has almost 5 times the population houses less people in its prisons.
Like pbeaul said, there is way too much money being made in these private prisons to let them out.
For those that say "make em work" I say, whose jobs are they going to be giving to these prisoners? Yours, thats who.

Check out this great dutch documentary on the Prison Industrial Complex, and we'll see if you feel the same way afterwards.

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personally I think they should fire the fat over paid lazy ******* guards first before cutting back on food.

Take it from some one whose visited our fine penal system over an issue of not having ID and being detained, less meals will mean more problems which means more guards which will worsen the situation not improve it.

I do however think pink jumpsuits, tent living and hard work is beneficial reform and tasering the really nasty people and posting there silly little screams on youtube - can't act hard when the whole world watches you pee your pants.

Oh and stop putting people in jail for hurting themselves, jail should protect us from other people, not people from themselves.

If they want to smoke crack till there eyeballs fall out fine thats there freedom, till they cross the line of hurting other people let them rot in there own world.
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i remember there was a lawsuit a while back about a dude in solitary complaining of only gettnig bread and water.. What he didn't know was they were chopping up other ingredients very finely.. carrots - meat etc.. and baking it into the bread so he had the same nutrition.. lawsuit failed. I think we should just do that for everybody. Or instead of giving people 3 back to back to back life sentences.. and paying 40,000 a year to keep them in prison we could spend 1.50 on a bullet and put it in their dome piece. i mean what?



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In New York they're trying to get wealthy prisoners to pay for their stay. Its dubbed the "Madoff Bill" and will make prisoners pay $90 a day. Makes perfect sense to me.

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I think prisons should always give their prisoners free bread and water but have a really expensive menu that prisoners could order from. A $20 slice of pizza or a $90 steak. What'll it be. lol
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In New York they're trying to get wealthy prisoners to pay for their stay. Its dubbed the "Madoff Bill" and will make prisoners pay $90 a day. Makes perfect sense to me.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32303397...me_and_courts/

I think prisons should always give their prisoners free bread and water but have a really expensive menu that prisoners could order from. A $20 slice of pizza or a $90 steak. What'll it be. lol
That makes perfect sense to you? Seems like a ridicules perversion of the correctional system to me. People that are a harm to society should be sent to jail, and if possible rehabilitated in such a way that they can become useful human beings again in the future. Being in jail should be a punishment, they should realize how shitty it is and NEVER want to return.

Instead they get to watch cable TV and get free gym memberships and 3 nice warm meals a day without a care in the world. I'm all for humane treatment but you know what they should be working their ass off 5 - 6 days a week to pay their debt to society through HARD physical labor... I don't care if the work they do is useless or can be done better by a machine. Make them remember what prison was like and why they're not going to steal that car/bike for a quick buck.
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That makes perfect sense to you? Seems like a ridicules perversion of the correctional system to me. People that are a harm to society should be sent to jail, and if possible rehabilitated in such a way that they can become useful human beings again in the future. Being in jail should be a punishment, they should realize how shitty it is and NEVER want to return.
I never said anything against people doing time and being rehabilitated. I simply said I agree with the idea of prisoners (especially wealthy ones) paying for the costs of their incarceration.
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I never said anything against people doing time and being rehabilitated. I simply said I agree with the idea of prisoners (especially wealthy ones) paying for the costs of their incarceration.
But that's such a retarded band aid solution... that some bonehead bureaucrat came up with cause they think they're smart. Where do you draw the line? What if they refuse... going to sue them? Put them in jail?

More importantly... How many prisoners are above the poverty line, much less can be considered "wealthy"? You know what would help more than having the 0.001% of the wealthy prison population paying for their stays... not having prisons 80% full of non-violent criminals that are not a threat to anyone but themselves. Prisons should house those that are a risk to society... not pot heads and countless other victimless criminals.

Which do you think would save society more money? I know which one sounds cooler and makes us feel like we're sticking it to the man but logic paints a different picture.

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the issue of rehabilitation doesn't work goes far beyond what people consider. consider this, majority of the prison population consist of people from the life of poverty. a life of crime is the only way they know how to make good money fast, they have no real working experience or records. as a result, after they are release from prison, no respectable business well be willing to hire a criminal. so the only way for them to make a decent living is to revert back to the life of crime. i suggest instead of feeding them back into the society like we are doing it now, we should make them do mandatory 5 years of military service with paid reduction.

here is my plan. one of the biggest problem of those people is that once they are release into the society again, they are face with hardship of finding a good job, no real experiences, recontacting the same old group that get them in trouble in the first place. so as a result, make the last 4-5 years of their term in prison to be spend in the military on base with out leave. while they are there, have them take responsibility of the none combat activities such as construction, logistic, food preparation, vehicle maintenance, etc. this means they will not require to take combat training, but basic training is require. this way can expose those criminal with some productive work, install discipline within them, exposing them to a different environment before releasing them. granting them an opportunity to gain solid experience which future employer can used as a reference. while in this service, they will have an independent ranking system just like the military, this will signify their performance while being in the service. however, a true military rank is always higher and the prisoner's ranking cannot go beyond a Sargent. upon completion of 4-5 years, they can decided to continue their contract with the military where their rank will be transferable.

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the issue of rehabilitation doesn't work goes far beyond what people consider. consider this, majority of the prison population consist of people from the life of poverty. a life of crime is the only way they know how to make good money fast, they have no real working experience or records. as a result, after they are release from prison, no respectable business well be willing to hire a criminal. so the only way for them to make a decent living is to revert back to the life of crime. i suggest instead of feeding them back into the society like we are doing it now, we should make them do mandatory 5 years of military service with paid reduction.

here is my plan. one of the biggest problem of those people is that once they are release into the society again, they are face with hardship of finding a good job, no real experiences, recontacting the same old group that get them in trouble in the first place. so as a result, make the last 4-5 years of their term in prison to be spend in the military on base with out leave. while they are there, have them take responsibility of the none combat activities such as construction, logistic, food preparation, vehicle maintenance, etc. this means they will not require to take combat training, but basic training is require. this way can expose those criminal with some productive work, install discipline within them, exposing them to a different environment before releasing them. granting them an opportunity to gain solid experience which future employer can used as a reference. while in this service, they will have an independent ranking system just like the military, this will signify their performance while being in the service. however, a true military rank is always higher and the prisoner's ranking cannot go beyond a Sargent. upon completion of 4-5 years, they can decided to continue their contract with the military where their rank will be transferable.
Wow, WTF is wrong with you today Wu? First you give props to a democrat now you're actually tossing out decent solutions to problems.

I've never been in the military so I don't know how effective that idea would be or if the extra burden would be worth it. But I think it's a GREAT idea that someone could choose to serve in the military/be productive instead of rotting in a jail cell. One problem with your system is if there's a whole "branch" of the military where convicts go it will end up very much like gangs or a bunch of "cliques" who would be in charge?. I'd think they need to be separated from each other and dispersed around more.

Either way, I like the possibilities of where you going with that. Hitting like 2-3 birds with one stone.
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Wow, WTF is wrong with you today Wu? First you give props to a democrat now you're actually tossing out decent solutions to problems.

I've never been in the military so I don't know how effective that idea would be or if the extra burden would be worth it. But I think it's a GREAT idea that someone could choose to serve in the military/be productive instead of rotting in a jail cell. One problem with your system is if there's a whole "branch" of the military where convicts go it will end up very much like gangs or a bunch of "cliques" who would be in charge?. I'd think they need to be separated from each other and dispersed around more.

Either way, I like the possibilities of where you going with that. Hitting like 2-3 birds with one stone.
haha I woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.:all_cohol

anyway this idea of mine still needs a lot of careful planning and integration in order for it to work. but the advantages is not single sided either.

first, this idea is not applicable for everyone. if you are a mass murders, this will not be applicable to you. but on the other hand, if you are a repeated pot dealers, car thief, etc, this will be the program design for you. second, this will be applicable for those who have demonstrate good behavior during their prior terms in prison. this program will be a volunteer bases. since they will get paid just like everyone else, it will be a good incentive for people to join. on the other hand, their pay will be reduce in comparison to regular soldiers. part of their reduction will be used for keeping the program going (i.e. goes into the military branch). part of their paid will go in to their food and living expenses (so they are self sufficient). part of their paid will be their living allowance (cant give them too much money, since money management is a big issue). while the remaining amount will be saved for them so they can take it out once their term is up. this money saved is the best part of this program because once an inmate is release, they can use this money to start their own business if they want to.

I was thinking that for each of the military branches, they can all have a division such as this. the division will be controlled by regular military command, and this will be a good way to handle their logistic loads in a cost effective way. they will not be treated as inmates, but rather as new soldiers. if you think about it, there is a lot of un-tap potentials that goes in to a life of crime. for example, a guy got busted running a chop shop means that he is very good with machines. so why not put his skills in repairing Humvee and tanks. the guy who is dealing drugs obviously know how to move hot product to the right place and the right people while everyone is looking, so why not have his input with battlefield logistics. . now for a person who is charged with illegal guns position, have him deal with munition supplies or demolition specialist. since he probably have a good knowledge base of those weapons.

before the inmate is transfer to the military base for their rehabilitation training, they will be notify that they will be judge under military law. so if they decided to fuk up real bad, they are not going to face jail time and a open trial, instead they will be judge under the military law and possibility facing the firing squad. second, I wouldn't worry about the safety of the existing soldiers, because if the inmate wants to start trouble, there will be plenty of guns to put him in his place.

last if the inmate in this program will be transfer away from their home town, so they will be well isolated. for example, an inmate from LA will go to a base in fort knox or something.

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