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Glen Beck is not a libertarian



It's a bait and switch, folks.
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Good grief....

Yeah Glen, real Americans are terrorists and the military should be used upon them.

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JUDAS GOAT - Glenn Beck the controlled opposition (VIDEO)
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I know there are many Glenn Beck fans on this Ron Paul forum. But you would do well to understand that GB trashed Dr. Paul and his supporters along with David Horowitz when Ron Paul's candidacy was threatening the status quo.

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"The vest way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." - Vladimir Lenin

I am not saying Glenn Beck cannot be useful. I think he can be but only useful as a "tool." Pun intended.

Judas Goat: A Judas goat is a trained goat used at a slaughterhouse and in general animal herding. The Judas goat is trained to associate with sheep or cattle, leading them to a specific destination. In stockyards, a Judas goat will lead sheep to slaughter, while its own life is spared. Judas goats are also used to lead other animals to specific pens and on to trucks.

The term is a reference to the biblical traitor Judas Iscariot.
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Well done, fools.

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That's a nice hit job video. It would probably be more useful if you included links to all of the videos clipped in that piece, so people could see them in their entirety for context. You posted it, so the burden is on you.

The only complete statement by Beck that I could glean from the video was;

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The man has credence when it comes to the economy. He does not have credence when it comes to the war on terror.
So, if Beck agrees with Paul on the economy, can we all agree that Beck is a Libertarian when it comes to economics?

What cannot be determined (due to lack of complete statements) from this video is whether Beck is a Libertarian with regards to foreign affairs.

Personally, I have no use for these types of videos. They are used by both the left and the right to attempt marginalize the opponent.

I don't know Beck personally, nor do I follow him that closely. He seems a bit whacky, but I find that refreshing as opposed to those that lean to the self-important (Olbermann and Oreilly). However, the term neocon is hardly one I would associate with Beck.

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I'm sorry, but anyone that believes in the Iraq/Afgan wars... simply cannot be a libertarian. Libertarians believe in LIBERTY (freedom) for all, not just Americans. Anyone that isn't completely appauled by the patriot act, is without a shadow of doubt NOT a libertarian.

No, we cannot agree that he's libertarian in an economic sense. Because he only believes in parts of what Ron Paul/libertarians believe... not the entire thing. Someone that believes that the bailouts were necessary does NOT believe in some pretty core libertarian values. It's very clear and dry. You can't support free markets and capitalism and subsequently agree with the decision to hand over 100's of billions of dollars to banks that screwed up. All that does is undermine capitalism and the free market. You can't nationalize risk while privatizing the profits, all that does is hurt the little guy that wasn't taking stupid risks. I don't see the bailed out banks hurting from this economy do you? They turned around their bankrupt companies back into profitability in under a year! What happened to all those billions? Yea, that's right... it's gone.

Beck is just some right wing hack that grew some wings after he left CNN. He's NOT a libertarian and has only latched onto the term because of its grass roots feelings... and he wants to come off as some true patriot. Reality is that he's just some right wing corporate shill/propagandist... nothing more nothing less.

I will add that he is quite good at his job, no one can deny that. But if you think he's anything close to a true libertarian, you really should hit up Wikipedia and find out what a true libertarian is.

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Wow! Did we wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

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you really should hit up Wikipedia and find out what a true libertarian is.
I'll start with whether I know what a Libertarian is. I have a copy of Economics in One Lesson sitting right here (which I have read multiple times). I know of and have actually attended functions at the Cato Institute. I have read a good deal of von Mises' works. I even know what a Nolan chart is, so yes I know what a Libertarian is.

I also know that there are objective ideals and practical reality. Sometimes the two clash. That's life.

Beck a neocon? That I doubt. I know plenty of neocons and as far as I can tell, he's not one of them. Just like I know plenty of "liberals" (not be confused with the traditional libertarian liberal), including Joe Biden (who lives down the street and goes to our Church.... once in a while). Actually, he (Beck) strikes me as more of an entertainer than a pundit. If you have proof that "he's some right wing corporate shill" I'd like to see it. Seems to me he did some pretty good work recently with the whole Acorn deal and Van Jones. I didn't see anyone in the other media outlets covering those stories.

As for the banking industry, it's a little more complicated than your statement. Some banks were pushed into taking TARP money and many were and still are subtly prevented from paying it back. I will agree that it is a mess and not one penny of tax payer's money should have been spent bailing anyone out, including AIG (not really a Bank). Some of the largest recipients of bailout funds were foreign banks. I also am of the opinion that the Federal Reserve should be audited (even Barney Frank is agreeing with that one). I would prefer to see it abolished.

I suspect we agree politically more that we would disagree. I just don't care for hit jobs, on or against either side.

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Wow! Did we wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning
Nope... I didn't feel that was that harsh on you... It's nothing personal.


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I'll start with whether I know what a Libertarian is. I have a copy of Economics in One Lesson sitting right here (which I have read multiple times). I know of and have actually attended functions at the Cato Institute. I have read a good deal of von Mises' works. I even know what a Nolan chart is, so yes I know what a Libertarian is.
Never said you didn't know what a libertarian is, but if you truly believe that Beck is one... than you probably should consult an external source.

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I also know that there are objective ideals and practical reality. Sometimes the two clash. That's life.
I agree with you on ideals and reality most of the time don't match... but that doesn't mean that beck believing in the stuff he does makes him a libertarian.

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Beck a neocon? That I doubt. I know plenty of neocons and as far as I can tell, he's not one of them. Just like I know plenty of "liberals" (not be confused with the traditional libertarian liberal), including Joe Biden (who lives down the street and goes to our Church.... once in a while). Actually, he (Beck) strikes me as more of an entertainer than a pundit. If you have proof that "he's some right wing corporate shill" I'd like to see it. Seems to me he did some pretty good work recently with the whole Acorn deal and Van Jones. I didn't see anyone in the other media outlets covering those stories.
To be fair, I never called him a neocon, but I certainly think he aligns himself more accurately with neocons than libertarians. You're 100% right that he's an entertainer, he goes wherever the wind/his advertisers blow him. 2 years ago he was complaining how shitty and awful the health care system was... now he's on the air extolling how magnificent it is. Glenn Beck is a joke, does nothing more then entice fear into people.

The whole Acorn thing is being blown way out of proportion... They've received ~50 million dollars over the last decade. Where was Fox news reporting about blackwater killing Iraqi civilians and covering up the rapings of its own employees (young American females.) How much does the US tax payer give these guys a year? Just a hint, it's many MANY times more than Acorn gets.

But you know what, that doesn't make what Acorn did right. They definitely should be forced to clean up house... and not receive a cent of federal money until it does. But it's being blown out of proportion.

It kinda reminds me of the AIG bonuses/office party crap that was going on in the news for nearly a month... Americans were up in arms at the millions that were being "wasted" on bonuses/office parties... while billions of tax payer dollars were going out the back door to foreign banks. Where was the news on reporting the billions of tax payer dollars being funneled out of the country? It's all a big dog and pony show, smoke and mirrors. Doesn't matter what network it's coming from.

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As for the banking industry, it's a little more complicated than your statement. Some banks were pushed into taking TARP money and many were and still are subtly prevented from paying it back. I will agree that it is a mess and not one penny of tax payer's money should have been spent bailing anyone out, including AIG (not really a Bank). Some of the largest recipients of bailout funds were foreign banks. I also am of the opinion that the Federal Reserve should be audited (even Barney Frank is agreeing with that one). I would prefer to see it abolished.
I don't doubt for one second that it's more complicated, most things in politics are. But that doesn't change the fact that he was in support of it and the patriot act. No self respecting libertarian would agree with either of those. Hell, 98% of Americans were opposed to the bailout... I think it's safe to say Glenn Beck isn't a real libertarian... on anything.

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I suspect we agree politically more that we would disagree. I just don't care for hit jobs, on or against either side.
I suspect you're right about that. But if you don't care for "hit jobs"/hit pieces as you say, you probably shouldn't be in Beck's corner because he's the source of many such hit pieces. Beck brings it all on to himself... http://glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com

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It's a bait and switch, folks.
Hey usefull idiot, Every one of those quotes were taken out of his sarcastic context.

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Hey usefull idiot, Every one of those quotes were taken out of his sarcastic context.

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LOL, really should read more of Krisboro's stuff if you think he's Pro-Obama...
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Glenn Beck is too stupid to have a coherent political position.
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I love these clips, cut off with just a few words. If you watch Glenn Beck at all you know he's sarcastic a lot. A lot of those clips were cut off during the sarcastic stuff.
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I love these clips, cut off with just a few words. If you watch Glenn Beck at all you know he's sarcastic a lot. A lot of those clips were cut off during the sarcastic stuff.
Keep drinkin' the Kool-Aid, buddy.
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Keep drinkin' the Kool-Aid, buddy.
I haven't been drinking the kool-aid....that's why I didn't vote for Obama. If you've ever watched Glenn Beck then you'd know.
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Glen Beck is definitely not a libertarian.
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+1, next Fox is going to get Lou Dobbs!
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+1, next Fox is going to get Lou Dobbs!
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Beck reminds me of the news guy on V for Vendetta.

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