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gun control seems to have started

Not 100% sure on this one... but it is a good read, and so far everything seems to add up from what little research i have done

While you were watching the oil spill, the New York failed terrorist bombing and other critical crises, Hillary Clinton signed the small arms treaty with the UN.OBAMA FINDS LEGAL WAY AROUND THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND USES IT.IF THIS PASSES, THERE COULD BE WAR On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States On Wednesday the Obama administration took its first major step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States. The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms. The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth?What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment. This has happened in other countries, past and present! THIS IS NOT A JOKE OR A FALSE WARNING. As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control. Read the Article U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto. The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better. View The Full Article Here Click on the link below for further acknowledgement... http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015 Please forward this message to others who may be concerned about the direction in which our country is headed. This is a very serious matter! Silence will lead us to Socialism!!!
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Not 100% sure on this one... but it is a good read, and so far everything seems to add up from what little research i have done

While you were watching the oil spill, the New York failed terrorist bombing and other critical crises, Hillary Clinton signed the small arms treaty with the UN.OBAMA FINDS LEGAL WAY AROUND THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND USES IT.IF THIS PASSES, THERE COULD BE WAR On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States On Wednesday the Obama administration took its first major step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States. The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms. The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth?What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment. This has happened in other countries, past and present! THIS IS NOT A JOKE OR A FALSE WARNING. As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control. Read the Article U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto. The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better. View The Full Article Here Click on the link below for further acknowledgement... http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015 Please forward this message to others who may be concerned about the direction in which our country is headed. This is a very serious matter! Silence will lead us to Socialism!!!
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they play off each other. she signs the treat not putting anything on Obama, and from there obama starts regulations to abid by the treaty... just something i found
 
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they play off each other. she signs the treat not putting anything on Obama, and from there obama starts regulations to abid by the treaty... just something i found
The article is interesting, but the rest of it sounds a lot like doomsday-NRA lobbying- propaganda to me...

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i dont think it is a dooms day NRA thing... But it does point out a very well known loop hole for obama to try to shut down guns... now do i think that will happen!!! Negative!
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i will agree with that one!
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That won't ever happen. Plus Obama supports the right to keep and bear arms.

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gonna be kind of hard when states like AZ and Montana passing laws to encourage buying weapons made in there states, that ignores federal restrictions on type and configuration.
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gonna be kind of hard when states like AZ and Montana passing laws to encourage buying weapons made in there states, that ignores federal restrictions on type and configuration.
Where you getting that kind of statement from... I live in az and follow my gun laws fairly well and I have never heard such a think


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gonna be kind of hard when states like AZ and Montana passing laws to encourage buying weapons made in there states, that ignores federal restrictions on type and configuration.

interesting! because i think federal trumps local laws on the configuration, esp with assult weapons. Please provide link for these laws or statements!
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i dont think it is a dooms day NRA thing... But it does point out a very well known loop hole for obama to try to shut down guns... now do i think that will happen!!! Negative!
You guys act as if NRA lobbying-propaganda might be a bad thing. If it gets people to wise up and pay attention to whats going on, I don't give a damn whether its true or not.

As far as Obama trying to rid us of our weapons... lol. There's no doubt in my mind he'll try. Whether or not he'll succeed is another thing entirely.
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i dont think it is a bad thing.. if i did, i wouldnt be a life time member!
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THERE HAS BEEN NO SUCH TREATY SIGNED!!!!!!!!

Here is info regarding this situation dated May 25th 2010:

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That won't ever happen. Plus Obama supports the right to keep and bear arms.
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Epa to ban lead bullets !!!!

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Will Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa Jackson make a back door move to ban lead bullets the day before the November 2 elections?

Several environmentalist groups led by the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) are petitioning the EPA to ban lead bullets and shot (as well as lead sinkers for fishing) under the Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA). Although EPA is barred by statute from controlling ammunition, CBD is seeking to work farther back along the manufacturing chain and have EPA ban the use of lead in bullets and shot because non-lead alternatives are available. But here's the catch: the alternatives to lead bullets are more expensive. A ban on the sale of lead ammunition would force hunters and sport shooters to buy non-lead ammunition that is often double the cost of traditional lead ammunition. A box of deer hunting bullets in a popular caliber could be upwards of $55.

Although the EPA could have dismissed the request due to a lack of jurisdiction, it is obliging CBD. The EPA has asked for public comment on banning lead in ammunition, and an EPA notice was published seeking public comment that closes on October 31. Jackson would then make a decision to accept or reject the petition on November 1. You might say that even considering enacting what is effectively a new tax on hunters and gun owners--seemingly the only non-liberal group the Obama administration hasn't yet intentionally provoked--is less-than-perfect timing for the already beleagured Democrats as the midterm elections approach.

The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), a trade association for the firearm and ammunition industry, has hit back against the petition sending Jackson a letter documenting why EPA has no jurisdiction and outlining the damage that banning lead ammunition would do to U.S. industry and jobs, conservation, and law enforcement. The NSSF estimates that more than 90 percent of hunters and sport shooters use traditional lead ammunition. If all hunters were forced to buy non-lead bullets that are made out of metals like tungsten, bismuth, and copper alloys, demand could easily begin to outstrip the supply and prices would go even higher.

Bill Clinton famously blamed the NRA and gun owners for sweeping Democrats from control of the House in 1994 after he pushed them to pass the Assault Weapons Ban. For Democrats, especially those in rural and conservative districts that are already facing votersí wrath, gun control could once again be an issue that helps defeat them and swings control of the House and perhaps even the Senate to the GOP.

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Stand up for this guys... Next thing you know your bikes will be outlawed because they don't run on electric or solar power.

Lead is bad for the environment just like Oil is although it's a natural element. Where do they find these people? Everything has a reaction. It's cause and effect. If you do this you are going to get this but at what cost. If any of these people ran a business they would be bankrupt in a month "if they used their own money to run it" but they don't they are using yours and my money to run this country into the ground. Wake up!!! You can think he won't try and do this, they would never but right now is time when they can because we are all working our a$$es off to keep our jobs and families feed to think about this. I will admit it, I have been working so hard lately that politics have been on the back burner but what these guys are doing is going to effect everyone.....




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For those who dont get the significance of this, it could be huge. Its not like the government is just going to one day say, "ok no more guns!" and thatll be that. Its small tinly, seemingly insignificant laws and ammendments that take away your GOD GIVEN RIGHTS little by little.

Even if you arent a gun fan, I think most people are a fan of freedom. This is just another form of government control that will slowly grow to take away more and more of your freedoms!
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EPA Surrenders to NRA on Gun Control Issue
EPA rejects attempt to regulate lead in bullets after NRA protests

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Have you pointed one of your weapons at someone with a loaded clip, bullet in the chamber, safety off, and finger on the trigger?

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Have you pointed one of your weapons at someone with a loaded clip
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This one is iffy, as a glocks safety is always in place until the trigger is pulled.
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Have you pointed one of your weapons at someone with a loaded clip, bullet in the chamber, safety off, and finger on the trigger?
I am guessing this is a sentence to wonder if the owner has what it takes to pull the trigger.
I haven't pointed any of my guns at anyone loaded or unloaded with or without the safety on but I can tell you I have practiced hundreds of times doing it and I will not think twice about taking someone out for endangering my life, my families life of any of possessions that I have worked so hard for. I do think it takes a certain someone to own and operate a gun, but I am pretty sure I am one of those. I hope I never have to draw it or use it but if there comes a time I will do what is needed to protect myself and others.
All those criminals think twice before messing with someone. You never know, they may feel the same way I do and will not give you a second chance to think about what you have done.




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Yes, and they were lucky I was carrying a DA pistol, or I could answer that I've shot someone.
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This one is iffy, as a glocks safety is always in place until the trigger is pulled.

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Same for you as well.
gentleman at the restaurant took offence to me asking him to quiet down, as i was trying to eat, and didnt want to listen to some dude yelling screaming, and being other wise beligerant

he took enough offense that he thought he would be a smart ass, stood up, withdrew a knife from his pocket and proceeded to threaten me, and my throat

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at which point he decided it was best to take a seat, put his knife on the floor and await the arrival of the cops, at my suggestion.


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