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I really do not give a damn one way or the other about this lady...what she will or will not do.... but some of the statements made in this thread do bother me... I am quite bothered by the mistaken belief that the pledge and patriotism some how have any bearing on each other.. I myself would be pissed if someone were to question my patriotism based on the fact that I will NOT say the pledge.. to me in fact the pledge will not lift me to good citizen status, what is does do, if you mean what you say when you say it, is remove your citizen status and turn you into a subject.. the pledge is unamerican, it goes against all of the ideals that the declaration of independence, the articles of confederation and the constitution declared to be our foundation and guiding principles....
do not question my patriotism.. I am an old man now, but in my youth I served 3 tours in vietnam for my country...17 of my close friends died... so my generation died and killed for their country...I did not die, but I did kill and i live with that everyday...my patriotism should never be in question... that said.. I will NOT say the pledge..
it has nothing to do with the fact that the pledge as is presently stands includes the words under God... for I personally believe in God... but as a country we believe in the freedom to worship as you please and I would not want a pledge used that would eliminate any of our free citizens from being able to say it and mean it...
my reason for not saying the pledge is that I do not believe in some of the ideas it includes, I believe those ideas to be unamerican, I believe that the words more closely belong to a people that are socialistic, communistic, who believe in the supreme power of a central government... I am not one of those kinds of folks..
I am a believer in individual rights, of states rights..
I see the states united as 50 soveriegn states, united in a union... but that union is not a suicide pact.. i do not see the federal government as being the supreme government with power and authority over the states...
I see the federal government as the constitution established it...not supreme to the soveriegn states, but a government established by the states with limited powers intended to make the union they had a more perfect union, not one that took over...so for me the part of the pledge that I find most offensive is the part that says the nation is indivisible... you will not find the word nation in the constitution.. you will find the words union... our country is a country made up of 50 soveriegn states, working together in a union, not 50 states with their citizens turned into subjects of a supreme federal authority...
Last edited by Obed; 07-28-2011 at 11:27 AM.