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What has America become?

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Has America become the land of special interest and home of the double standard?

Lets see: if we lie to the Congress, itís a felony and if the Congress lies to us its just politics; if we dislike a black person, weíre racist and if a black person dislikes whites, its their 1st Amendment right; the government spends millions to rehabilitate criminals and they do almost nothing for the victims; in public schools you can teach that homosexuality is OK, but you better not use the word God in the process; you can kill an unborn child, but it is wrong to execute a mass murderer; we donít burn books in America, we now rewrite them; we got rid of communist and socialist threats by renaming them progressive; we are unable to close our border with Mexico, but have no problem protecting the 38th parallel in Korea; if you protest against President Obamaís policies youíre a terrorist, but if you burned an American flag or George Bush in effigy it was your 1st Amendment right.

You can have pornography on TV or the internet, but you better not put a nativity scene in a public park during Christmas; we have eliminated all criminals in America, they are now called sick people; we can use a human fetus for medical research, but it is wrong to use an animal.

We take money from those who work hard for it and give it to those who donít want to work; we all support the Constitution, but only when it supports our political ideology; we still have freedom of speech, but only if we are being politically correct; parenting has been replaced with Ritalin and video games; the land of opportunity is now the land of hand outs; the similarity between Hurricane Katrina and the gulf oil spill is that neither president did anything to help.

And how do we handle a major crisis today? The government appoints a committee to determine whoís at fault, then threatens them, passes a law, raises our taxes; tells us the problem is solved so they can get back to their reelection campaign.

What has happened to the land of the free and home of the brave?

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All that said .....

Id still rather live here then anywhere else :/

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This quality of overall life cannot be sustained. A fall is coming, and it's going to suck. Recession is nothing compared to what's going to happen when our debt catches up with us.
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I agree with X. The "melting pot" of people is currently boiling. Eventaly it is going to boil over.

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This quality of overall life cannot be sustained. A fall is coming, and it's going to suck. Recession is nothing compared to what's going to happen when our debt catches up with us.
Quite scary to think about in all honesty. Especially for the younger side of the population (such as myself) who are in college, and will soon have to struggle to find a stable job and place to live for the next 40+ years.

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All that said .....

Id still rather live here then anywhere else :/
I'd say the same, but it really depends.

I'd rather live here -- for now. Until SHTF, or our economy totally tanks (depression), or zombies become a reality, or people riot the streets...

In that case I'd really rather live in some small island in the Caribbean or somewhere off the coast of Italy.

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In that case I'd really rather live in some small island in the Caribbean or somewhere off the coast of Italy.
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Totally agree with all that T. It frightens me to think about what my 5 children my have to endure if we stay in this country. We "The People" Have to do something but what? That's the real question at hand hear it is our right and duty to make it right but what and can we get enough lazy asses together to do the right thing? And how do we go about it peacefully? or can we? We can't move and form another country like our forefathers at this point and everything they tried to put into place to make sure this didn't happen is being rewritten, and, or overruled with new laws.

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You know the movie brave heart, the scenes where he goes and ...... The noble leaders. That is the truest of ways to make the changes. All that we have here, and every morning we all think the same thing.... I'm hungry and where's my next meal. Primal.

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need a president with balls. and doesnt care about being PC or making everyone happy. the fact is its impossible to please everyone. especially the hippy tree hugging liberals. when we had Bush after 9/11 he had balls. he went after the terrorist with a shoot first ask questions later mentality. thats what we need again. he knew he was going to pi** off a lot of people but he wanted to let the rest of the world know...you dont F with america and get away with it.

i vote that we get some one like ted nugent in charge of homeland security. he would clean the country up real quick like. make some men out of us. guns and rock-n-roll

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It's not going to be easy but we are going to have to get leaders on the local level to stand up for us. We don't have the time with our families and work to do this as well. States are going to have to tell/show the government that we are tired of paying for all of this and it's going to stop. It may come down to some states seceding from the nation. They will remove themselves from government funded anything and they will take care of the things they need on the local level. I believe this will work. Texas/Arizona will probably be the first to do this. I can only hope FL will follow. If this doesn't happen it's going to come by force when more and more taxes are enforced to us until we break just like the other countries. There is only so much we are willing to pay and taking more and more isn't going to help.

And for the stupid comment Obama made about business's wouldn't be in business if there weren't roads and bridges, that is all because of others. I paid for those too, I pay my taxes just like the rest of the hard workers. If he wants us to turn the tables, many of those people chanting and praising our President wouldn't have a job or any food stamps or anything without us small business's. But we are evil people that have a job and work for the things we have.

"IT's not everyone, I know just those that go to his speeches in the middle of week." Just wonder where they have the time to do this, don't they have jobs? Don't they have bills/taxes to pay like the rest of us? Probably not, because they don't own a business they just take because it's easier.

Let's trim food stamps/EBT all government assistance down to the basics "FIRST"
You don't get lobster/crab/steaks with our money. You get bread,spam,rice/pasta/water,vegetables. Let's make it like WIC you have a list of what you can get and that's it. You don't "NEED" cable/internet/video games/cell phone. Why should we give you these things to them? Go to the library, it's free. text on your phones? WHY? I don't know of many companies that accept applications via text. Entitlement is going to come full circle if this continues. We need to focus on getting rid of our occupier at 1600 Pennsylvanian Ave and replace him with someone that isn't going to give everything away and expect it to be "FREE" a business person that knows nothing is FREE, there is a price for everything. Someone that will tell these low lifes that siting at home all day to get up and do something because your FREE ride is over. They won't be as blunt as I am however I am not a politician, I speak what is on my mind I can't make it sound nice when it's not.




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Let's trim food stamps/EBT all government assistance down to the basics "FIRST"
You don't get lobster/crab/steaks with our money. You get bread,spam,rice/pasta/water,vegetables. Let's make it like WIC you have a list of what you can get and that's it. You don't "NEED" cable/internet/video games/cell phone. Why should we give you these things to them? Go to the library, it's free. text on your phones?
have you seen this picture? this cracks me up its a guy at a soup kitchen getting free hand outs...yet has a smartphone?! guess at&t takes EBT as well.



at my company we have FSA (flex spending acct) and before...mmm hmm...was in office it was great. use pre-tax dollars for medical stuff. such as asprin. cough syrup. junk like that. now we have a list of what we can use it for, and that list is short. thanks to the current adminstration who didnt like the idea of only collecting taxes on these items once instead of twice (once at the store and once on your paycheck). i strongly agree with a foodstamps list. hell papa murphys takes it. people are busting their azz working for them and their families to make ends meet. they arent getting a papa murphys pizza...yet dudes not even working are having a yummy take-n-bake meat lovers delight.

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What has America become?

Editor,

Has America become the land of special interest and home of the double standard?

Lets see: if we lie to the Congress, itís a felony and if the Congress lies to us its just politics; if we dislike a black person, weíre racist and if a black person dislikes whites, its their 1st Amendment right; the government spends millions to rehabilitate criminals and they do almost nothing for the victims; in public schools you can teach that homosexuality is OK, but you better not use the word God in the process; you can kill an unborn child, but it is wrong to execute a mass murderer; we donít burn books in America, we now rewrite them; we got rid of communist and socialist threats by renaming them progressive; we are unable to close our border with Mexico, but have no problem protecting the 38th parallel in Korea; if you protest against President Obamaís policies youíre a terrorist, but if you burned an American flag or George Bush in effigy it was your 1st Amendment right.

You can have pornography on TV or the internet, but you better not put a nativity scene in a public park during Christmas; we have eliminated all criminals in America, they are now called sick people; we can use a human fetus for medical research, but it is wrong to use an animal.

We take money from those who work hard for it and give it to those who donít want to work; we all support the Constitution, but only when it supports our political ideology; we still have freedom of speech, but only if we are being politically correct; parenting has been replaced with Ritalin and video games; the land of opportunity is now the land of hand outs; the similarity between Hurricane Katrina and the gulf oil spill is that neither president did anything to help.

And how do we handle a major crisis today? The government appoints a committee to determine whoís at fault, then threatens them, passes a law, raises our taxes; tells us the problem is solved so they can get back to their reelection campaign.

What has happened to the land of the free and home of the brave?

- Ken Huber
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Exactly what he said America has gone down the shitter. Personally Obama needs out

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Nonsense.

The letter writer doesn't believe in the separation of church and state. I guess that's what he means by "we all support the Constitution, but only when it supports our political ideology".

Rhetorically this thing could have been written by a fifth grader. I'll address the first paragraph because that's all I have time for.

Congress lies? Vote for someone else. (This first is actually legitimate. Congress does lie to you.)

Disliking a black person vs. black people disliking white people: . While it is true that black on white racism seems to be under-acknowledged in our culture, I've only heard racist people complain about it. Life advice: if people hate you for stupid reasons then try not to get worked up about it.

Government spending on criminals? Prisons are a growth industry. If there was as much money in helping victims then it would be big business too. Are you advocating for social programs? Be careful - that's socialism.

Homosexuality isn't okay? Pray about it. If you don't like tolerance, go somewhere homosexuality is illegal, like Qatar or Afghanistan. I hear those places are awesome time of year.

Burn books instead of rewrite them: When did it become good to burn books? I don't even know where to start with that one. Wait, yes I do:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_book_burnings

Progressivism = Communism/socialism? Possible, depending on your point of view, and depending on the progressive. That it is threatening is a matter of opinion, as is the level of the threat.

38th parallel vs. Mexican border: Are we at war with Mexico? I can't remember.

Protesting Obama's policies vs. protesting Bush: Since when are you a terrorist if you protest Obama? There is an entire subculture of America devoted to hating him. Are they terrorists? Maybe some of them, but that doesn't mean protesting Obama = terrorism. As for burning Bush in effigy, he: started a war on false pretenses at a cost of $1 trillion (and counting) and thousands of lives lost; created the largest federal government agency ever; curtailed your rights as a citizen ("Patriot" Act); generally sucked at his job. What were you doing when he was president? Voting for him? Oh.

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What has America become?

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Has America become the land of special interest and home of the double standard?

Lets see: if we lie to the Congress, itís a felony and if the Congress lies to us its just politics; if we dislike a black person, weíre racist and if a black person dislikes whites, its their 1st Amendment right; the government spends millions to rehabilitate criminals and they do almost nothing for the victims; in public schools you can teach that homosexuality is OK, but you better not use the word God in the process; you can kill an unborn child, but it is wrong to execute a mass murderer; we donít burn books in America, we now rewrite them; we got rid of communist and socialist threats by renaming them progressive; we are unable to close our border with Mexico, but have no problem protecting the 38th parallel in Korea; if you protest against President Obamaís policies youíre a terrorist, but if you burned an American flag or George Bush in effigy it was your 1st Amendment right.

You can have pornography on TV or the internet, but you better not put a nativity scene in a public park during Christmas; we have eliminated all criminals in America, they are now called sick people; we can use a human fetus for medical research, but it is wrong to use an animal.

We take money from those who work hard for it and give it to those who donít want to work; we all support the Constitution, but only when it supports our political ideology; we still have freedom of speech, but only if we are being politically correct; parenting has been replaced with Ritalin and video games; the land of opportunity is now the land of hand outs; the similarity between Hurricane Katrina and the gulf oil spill is that neither president did anything to help.

And how do we handle a major crisis today? The government appoints a committee to determine whoís at fault, then threatens them, passes a law, raises our taxes; tells us the problem is solved so they can get back to their reelection campaign.

What has happened to the land of the free and home of the brave?

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No I didn't vote for Osama.. I mean Obama ever notice the resemblance there and just for your info I didn't vote for Bush either.
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Nonsense.

The letter writer doesn't believe in the separation of church and state. I guess that's what he means by "we all support the Constitution, but only when it supports our political ideology".

Rhetorically this thing could have been written by a fifth grader. I'll address the first paragraph because that's all I have time for.

Congress lies? Vote for someone else. (This first is actually legitimate. Congress does lie to you.)

Disliking a black person vs. black people disliking white people: . While it is true that black on white racism seems to be under-acknowledged in our culture, I've only heard racist people complain about it. Life advice: if people hate you for stupid reasons then try not to get worked up about it.

Government spending on criminals? Prisons are a growth industry. If there was as much money in helping victims then it would be big business too. Are you advocating for social programs? Be careful - that's socialism.

Homosexuality isn't okay? Pray about it. If you don't like tolerance, go somewhere homosexuality is illegal, like Qatar or Afghanistan. I hear those places are awesome time of year.

Burn books instead of rewrite them: When did it become good to burn books? I don't even know where to start with that one. Wait, yes I do:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_book_burnings

Progressivism = Communism/socialism? Possible, depending on your point of view, and depending on the progressive. That it is threatening is a matter of opinion, as is the level of the threat.

38th parallel vs. Mexican border: Are we at war with Mexico? I can't remember.

Protesting Obama's policies vs. protesting Bush: Since when are you a terrorist if you protest Obama? There is an entire subculture of America devoted to hating him. Are they terrorists? Maybe some of them, but that doesn't mean protesting Obama = terrorism. As for burning Bush in effigy, he: started a war on false pretenses at a cost of $1 trillion (and counting) and thousands of lives lost; created the largest federal government agency ever; curtailed your rights as a citizen ("Patriot" Act); generally sucked at his job. What were you doing when he was president? Voting for him? Oh.

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No I didn't vote for Osama.. I mean Obama ever notice the resemblance there
Well your "wcwilliams3" name starts with a W. When you flip a W upside down, it's an M and that is the first letter of Muhammed, whom is a very important figure in the muslim religion. So you must be muslim, right? And all muslims are terrorists, right? So you must be a terrorist.

I can't believe we have ignorant people in our country that make comments like yours. It's sad really.
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Who's the true idiot? OSAMA OBAMA. One letter difference wcwilliams3 Muhammad. Like 25 letter difference if u knew anything of what you were saying obviously. I'm out I've lost respect for the simple minded here. You sir are part of the reason our great country is going straight to Hell as fast as it can.

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Nonsense.

The letter writer doesn't believe in the separation of church and state. I guess that's what he means by "we all support the Constitution, but only when it supports our political ideology".

Rhetorically this thing could have been written by a fifth grader. I'll address the first paragraph because that's all I have time for.

Congress lies? Vote for someone else. (This first is actually legitimate. Congress does lie to you.)

Disliking a black person vs. black people disliking white people: . While it is true that black on white racism seems to be under-acknowledged in our culture, I've only heard racist people complain about it. Life advice: if people hate you for stupid reasons then try not to get worked up about it.

Government spending on criminals? Prisons are a growth industry. If there was as much money in helping victims then it would be big business too. Are you advocating for social programs? Be careful - that's socialism.

Homosexuality isn't okay? Pray about it. If you don't like tolerance, go somewhere homosexuality is illegal, like Qatar or Afghanistan. I hear those places are awesome time of year.

Burn books instead of rewrite them: When did it become good to burn books? I don't even know where to start with that one. Wait, yes I do:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_book_burnings

Progressivism = Communism/socialism? Possible, depending on your point of view, and depending on the progressive. That it is threatening is a matter of opinion, as is the level of the threat.

38th parallel vs. Mexican border: Are we at war with Mexico? I can't remember.

Protesting Obama's policies vs. protesting Bush: Since when are you a terrorist if you protest Obama? There is an entire subculture of America devoted to hating him. Are they terrorists? Maybe some of them, but that doesn't mean protesting Obama = terrorism. As for burning Bush in effigy, he: started a war on false pretenses at a cost of $1 trillion (and counting) and thousands of lives lost; created the largest federal government agency ever; curtailed your rights as a citizen ("Patriot" Act); generally sucked at his job. What were you doing when he was president? Voting for him? Oh.

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BTW, I firmly believe that Obama is dangerous, but not for some made up religious affiliation. He's a fiscal nightmare, and the effects are MUCH longer lasting.
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Who's the true idiot? OSAMA OBAMA. One letter difference wcwilliams3 Muhammad. Like 25 letter difference if u knew anything of what you were saying obviously. I'm out I've lost respect for the simple minded here. You sir are part of the reason our great country is going straight to Hell as fast as it can.

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Just wow. So because their names rhyme, they are similar? I'm pretty sure u answered your own question of who the idiot is. And you obviously didn't understand my last post.

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BTW, I firmly believe that Obama is dangerous, but not for some made up religious affiliation. He's a fiscal nightmare, and the effects are MUCH longer lasting.
The other choice he had was to let the economy sink into an all out depression. Which, by the way also has a long lasting affect. The only difference is the pain from a bad economy was minimized. Now, as we slowly recover, people have been snapped back to reality as to what they truly can afford and have to start paying down their debt, just as the country needs to and will. But some people wouldn't be happy no matter what. If Obama hadn't spent money trying to stimulate the economy and he did nothing, people would have complained about that too.

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I understood full well what you were saying and maybe you just read between the lines and not what I actually wrote the first time. I wasn't saying Obama was a terrorist or anything of the like just that it is funny the sound so similar if you also notice that Osama is his first name and Obama well his last just pointing out that was funny. Him being a terrorist or anything of the like was neither stated nor implied. That being said Obama and anyone who follows him is taking us into a financial nightmare that lends itself to us being no longer a democracy but a socialist party. Agree with me or not it's true. But it is your freedom to disagree......Oh wait support them much longer and it won't be anyones freedom to disagree we just have to like it or else.

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