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Obama is giving out free phones

this video makes me want to puke!



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its so comical

and the obama team has already commented and managed to blame Bush...

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"Obama’s Truth Team quickly tweeted out a link to FactCheck.org, which concludes that “Obama Phone” is a complete misnomer. FactCheck even manages to “blame Bush” for the program, noting that the SafeLink program, which provides free cell phones to qualifying applicants who receive food stamps, Medicaid or other federal benefits, “started under President George Bush.”"

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There was a website www.obamaphone.net but they took it down

EDIT, nope, they must have just changed it. It was an actual sign up page not long ago.

Yesterday the page came up as an error page

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Not saying anything about the phones, but its lazy, ignorant, wastes of air like that which are not only going to ruin the country but re-elect Obama. This is not towards you Jbeck b/c you actually have legitimate reasons for your preference where i'd say 65% of his votes will come from ppl that vote for him b/c A) their skin color matches or B)They want more handouts.

I never got why the phone deal happened anyway. I'm pretty sure cell phones are a luxury. Get them a house phone at most
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shoot! i want a free phone can i sign up. iPhone 5 please.

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Not saying anything about the phones, but its lazy, ignorant, wastes of air like that which are not only going to ruin the country but re-elect Obama. This is not towards you Jbeck b/c you actually have legitimate reasons for your preference where i'd say 65% of his votes will come from ppl that vote for him b/c A) their skin color matches or B)They want more handouts.

I never got why the phone deal happened anyway. I'm pretty sure cell phones are a luxury. Get them a house phone at most
From what I have heard it's something about being able to get ahold of them while they are out job searching. I have never heard of an employer text someone about an application they had filled out.




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From what I have heard it's something about being able to get ahold of them while they are out job searching. I have never heard of an employer text someone about an application they had filled out.
http://www.freegovernmentcellphones.net/faq/obama-phone

This gives a pretty good explanation of what it is.
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Old news. Obama thinks everyone should get everything for free. Fukin dumb.
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Old news. Obama thinks everyone should get everything for free. Fukin dumb.
http://www.freegovernmentcellphones.net/faq/obama-phone

Inform yourself.
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Old news. Obama thinks everyone should get everything for free. Fukin dumb.


This makes you as bad as the person in the video.

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Either vote is a fail. Corporations and banks own both parties.

We're left picking for scraps, and some sheeple are apparently happy with just a free f*cking crap Chinese made phone...

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Old news. Obama thinks everyone should get everything for free. Fukin dumb.
The free phones are actually paid for by corporations and have nothing to do with taxes or government assistance.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/
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I call bs on ur website. And I wasn't just talking about the phones. How bout bail out money and healthcare. He could of done something to get rid of the dumb free phones. Not here to start a political debate. Just was tossing my 2 cents out there.
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http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/
http://www.freegovernmentcellphones.net/faq/obama-phone
Are contradicting
Universal Service Fund fee?
The free phones are actually paid for by corporations and have nothing to do with taxes or government assistance?

WHich one is it? Jbeck your site is biased because it say Bush phone even though Clinton started the program so it doesn't matter how you look at. Who started it when it was transitioned to cell phones it's Bush's fault. Seems pretty common It's Bush's fault, Obama didn't do anything so why is he even in office? If he hasn't done anything then why run for a second term? What are we wanting? More change, more hopes? I really want you to see what this man is doing to this country. It's not just him but he has said it, you can't change Washington from the inside, so why try and be on the inside again?




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http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/
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Are contradicting
Universal Service Fund fee?
The free phones are actually paid for by corporations and have nothing to do with taxes or government assistance?
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The president has no direct impact on the program, and one could hardly call these devices "Obama Phones," as the e-mail author does. This specific program, SafeLink, started under President George Bush, with grants from an independent company created under President Bill Clinton, which was a legacy of an act passed under President Franklin Roosevelt, which was influenced by an agreement reached between telecommunications companies and the administration of President Woodrow Wilson.
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To this day the government provides discounts on landline phones for financially disadvantaged people in the United States and U.S. territories. The Link-Up portion helps with the installation and the Lifeline Assistance part helps with the monthly bills, to the tune of roughly ten dollars a month.
So, the subsidization of phones began under President Clinton, and has continued under Presidents Bush and Obama.
Seems to me that the "link" aid was created in both links by Clinton

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Old news. Obama thinks everyone should get everything for free. Fukin dumb.
Not quite, Obama is buying votes. Dictatorship in the making. I'm still appalled by the fact that no one questions him giving illegal immigrants citizenship just in time to register to vote.
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Not quite, Obama is buying votes. Dictatorship in the making. I'm still appalled by the fact that no one questions him giving illegal immigrants citizenship just in time to register to vote.
Oh like Romney is a saint. Mandating voters have ID. Or how about voter registration fraud down in Florida.

Yeah, both parties are running an honest campaign.

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Not quite, Obama is buying votes. Dictatorship in the making. I'm still appalled by the fact that no one questions him giving illegal immigrants citizenship just in time to register to vote.
Where does it say that he gave illegal immigrants citizenship?
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Where does it say that he gave illegal immigrants citizenship?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...ram/57065692/1
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Not sure you read it or not, but no where does it say that he gave them citizenship.

"grant up to 1.7 million illegal immigrants brought to the U.S. as children a reprieve from deportation"

"receive a two-year deferment of deportation proceedings. They would not get any legal status"

That part where it mentions not getting any legal status is important in the context of your argument. They won't be able to vote.

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Seems to me that the "link" aid was created in both links by Clinton
Correct. I did see that but in Jbecks link there is also this.
"The Bush Phone, anyone?" Biased based on this comment, because it's always Bush's fault.

The parts I was referring to are where the money is coming from to pay for these phones. One says corporations are paying for it, other says the it's a small fee on everyone's cell phone bill. I will be looking to see if that is on my bill. Also wondering why texting is on this plan. Not sure about a data plan but I know of people with these phones and they have text available. Also which phone(s) are they getting? How many per household get one?




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The parts I was referring to are where the money is coming from to pay for these phones. One says corporations are paying for it, other says the it's a small fee on everyone's cell phone bill. I will be looking to see if that is on my bill.
From the 2nd link.

"The companies often charge customers to fund their contributions in the form of a universal service fee you might see on your monthly phone bill. "

So both links are saying it's funded the same way.
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From the 2nd link.

"The companies often charge customers to fund their contributions in the form of a universal service fee you might see on your monthly phone bill. "

So both links are saying it's funded the same way.
I see how it works. We pay a small tax on our plan then that money goes to América Móvil and a couple others that create a plan to give to those that need a phone. Also for us that have a land line as well we pay twice.
telecommunications companies such as "long distance companies, local telephone companies, wireless telephone companies, paging companies, and payphone providers.
I guess I will be looking on both of these bills to see how much this small TAX is that they get. Good for them, they need a phone, everyone needs a phone. Next will be internet because everyone needs internet, right? But then they don't have a computer so we will have to tax computers and internet to give to those that need this. How about a car, car insurance? I know these are what if's but when does it stop? WE can't give everything to those that can't afford things.




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I see how it works. We pay a small tax on our plan then that money goes to América Móvil and a couple others that create a plan to give to those that need a phone.
Unfortunately, we can not control what a company will charge for its service, or what they will do with the money they receive from its customers. If you look at the bright side, you were willing to pay the service charges they were asking, so I'm guessing these charges must be within reason, and someone less fortunate is receiving a break thanks to a kind donation from the corporations handout. I'm going out on a limb here and guessing the corporation is able to claim this "Handout" on their tax returns every year, so maybe if we stop giving corporations so many loop holes for deductions on their taxes, they would stop funding these handouts you are so much against.
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I guess I will be looking on both of these bills to see how much this small TAX is that they get. Good for them, they need a phone, everyone needs a phone. Next will be internet because everyone needs internet, right?
Not to go too off topic but this reminds of of the latest rankings in countries among internet freedom. Not only does Estonia offer free wifi but they also have 200 companies to choose their internet service from. They even integrated voting services online. This is a country with no where near our revenue yet they make it work. Competition for your money would seem to make sense when your country also offers free wifi.

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Competition for your money would seem to make sense when your country also offers free wifi.
I guess that's cool, if you want to live in a socialist country where your government provides free internet and healthcare!
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Oh like Romney is a saint. Mandating voters have ID.
I agree, want to vote? Have valid ID.
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I also switch companies almost yearly for my phone/internet because the new customers get the better deal than the return customers. Local internet know me by name I change it so many times. Or you get to know the sales guys to get the best rate/plan their is. I am fine with "giving" to charity, but if the charity is going to over populate those not needing charity we are not going to be able to give anymore, that is all I am saying. We are almost at 50% of the country getting some form of Government assistance/handout, a check from the government for something. This needs to stop or it will pass 50% and climb much faster because working won't be worth it because living "poor" isn't that bad when you look at other countries poor. Just think about it, many middle class countries standards are on par with our poor.

Also if I have to have a ID to get on a plane/drive a car/use my 2nd amendment right/rent a car/vote in FL, every state should. If you can't get a picture ID then you don't vote, it's that simple. Too bad for you if you are unable to figure out how to do that.




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