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Never really thought of it the way he put it my job is driving so gas prices really hurt me. But will romney being in office lower the prices? And if so for how long 6 months? a year? The country definitely needs a change for the better. People abuse the help they are given from the government and my sisters one of them. Pisses me off that her boss pays here most of her check in cash so it doesnt look like she makes alot just so she can keep her foodstamps and everything. Then goes around claiming i pay for everything blah blah blah. Granted she is a single mother but there are countless americans who are single parents and make it without the governments help. They would even send here to school free of charge but she could cares less. Its really disgusting how much its abused.

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Us not drilling for oil isn't going to help make oil go down. Building bridges/roads/ hiring teachers isn't going to help. We are short on teachers/roads/bridges we are short jobs.

We need to become energy independent.




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So are you saying stop buying from other countries? Or have more of renewable energy like solar power?

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For right now stop buying from others. We can get enough from the U.S to support all of the U.S then work Smart on finding something viable to use in the future to eventually transfer over. Having used oil for so long it's not going to happen over night and it's surely not going to happen when 23 million don't have a job.
Get all that we need, export the extra make some money create jobs and drive down the price.




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Thatd be the right thing to do but it.might never happen which is pretty sad

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sooooo..... I was on board till he mocked college graduates from California....

anyways, I dont think people like him understand that all prices are more expensive here.... gas, housing, motorcycles, everything from day to day life..

gotta pay to enjoy this area, if you wont someone else will.

Not saying that gas isnt being affected like he describes... but gas has been higher then 1.82 from way before obama was in office.
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This video ties right into the high gas price. It's part of the socialist plan to create a country of dependents


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sooooo..... I was on board till he mocked college graduates from California....

anyways, I dont think people like him understand that all prices are more expensive here.... gas, housing, motorcycles, everything from day to day life..

gotta pay to enjoy this area, if you wont someone else will.

Not saying that gas isnt being affected like he describes... but gas has been higher then 1.82 from way before obama was in office.
Liberal College students. If you aren't a Liberal he wasn't talking to/about you. I would guess to say he is pointing them out because that is where Much of Obama spends his time campaigning "college campuses"




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This video ties right into the high gas price. It's part of the socialist plan to create a country of dependents

I wish I could call that a crazy conspiracy theory.
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Using all of what we have is also a key. We can't say we don't have enough oil when we haven't tried to drill for it. Sacrificing jobs for Wind/solar/electric cars isn't going to fix our demand/need for oil. We all can't drive electric cars in the next year, it's not going to happen. The infrastructure of "green" energy isn't big enough to support the whole country. The country all can't afford to go out and buy a $50,000 hybrid.

We have an untapped resource in this country and we need to use it to our advantage not ignore it and completely focus on changing this countries need for oil. We should not be paying this much for gas and buying this much from other countries. Produce what we need and export what we don't. Reduce the price and collect on other countries buying from us.

Think about this as well. Gas prices have risen, My electric bill is constantly rising. If I have an electric car that will be charging off my electric bill it's going to be even higher, so tell me how am I saving "anything" by putting less gas in my car and charging it at home? Anyone own a prius? How much is your power bill at home? How much is your gas bill? The power comes from a plant, it doesn't just magically happen when you plug the car in. You have your car on the charger for 8 hours of charging. That cost money. I don't have to fill my car up every day just to drive it.




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And think about the money you save just from not buying a outrageously priced hybrid. If you pay $10,000 less for a normal gas powered car. Gas where im from is $3.59 a gallon thats almost 2800 gallons of gas so when you purchase one of those cars are you even really saving? No its going to take longer to catch up with what you think your saving than the car will probably even run and how about how much the batteries cost for those thing. Ill pass

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I think they said is takes 5-10 years to make up for the cost of the hybrid over gas only cars but I don't think they take into account that say for instance you have a Prius you have to replace your batteries when they won't hold a charge anymore. $5000 to do this and I think they are only meant to last 5 years.




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Yea and factor in regular maintenance like any other car on top of all that and your not winning your losing. My dad hauls cars and when the honda crz came out he delivered them and the dealer told him its close to like 7k for new batteries.

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True, forgot to mention that you can't work on the car because you can kill yourself by touching the wrong connections. That's a good point.




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You use other peoples resources before you use your own. That's survival 101. Drilling the U.S. oil reserves is not a wise choice until we drain the oil out of other countries first.


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Kind of like the chevy cruze or sonic. Maybe not giant turbos but it gets the job done and both cars have excellent gas mileage and decent price range

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Im sure that our country has more than theyd like to tell us. If buying from another country just causes us to suffer more through gas prices and prices on everything else id rather use ours and then take theres when the time comes. Tripage is right. Why should another country get rich off of us for something that we already have here?

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You use other peoples resources before you use your own. That's survival 101. Drilling the U.S. oil reserves is not a wise choice until we drain the oil out of other countries first.
I think we have come close enough to failing as a country with borrowing money from China to pay for our spending. It's time to show the what the U.S is made of. If you don't want to deal with us fine we will just use our own. We can lower our price back to $1-$1.50 gallon and sell much of our production to others that want to deal with us. No reason to support other countries with something we can get right in our own back yard. I know we export a great deal of what we are not using, that doesn't mean the price should be going up. The price should be lower because we have/use more than we need.




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I think we have come close enough to failing as a country with borrowing money from China to pay for our spending. It's time to show the what the U.S is made of. If you don't want to deal with us fine we will just use our own. We can lower our price back to $1-$1.50 gallon and sell much of our production to others that want to deal with us. No reason to support other countries with something we can get right in our own back yard. I know we export a great deal of what we are not using, that doesn't mean the price should be going up. The price should be lower because we have/use more than we need.
I agree with you that the borrowing needs to decrease and production/exports need to increase. The reason our prices aren't higher than they are is because we have that reserve. If the U.S. were to consume more of its personal oil, as our supply decreases that opens up doors for countries to skyrocket the price we pay. We pay the price and use up their oil until their supply is depleted. Only then will we begin exportation of our own resources for 10 times the price they charged us. Think of it as a really long term investment.


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That is true however we don't have the oil right now and allowing other to come over and drill the oil out from under our nose isn't going to help us. Not allowing drilling isn't going to help us. We believe we have the oil but we aren't going to get down there and get it are 2 different things. It's not ours because we don't possess it yet. We don't know how the oil works underground, something may happen "earthquake" that will move that oil to somewhere else no one knows. We can't just sit on it and hope it's there in the future when we need it.




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Hybrid vehicles are a joke. There's a reason the batteries for those cars aren't made in house or anywhere near their country of origin. Nobody wants to deal with the waste and pollution made from making those batteries. 20 years ago there were vehicles that averaged +40 MPG without a huge battery. Now we're suppose to applaud a manufacturer because their hybrid gets 34 MPG? I don't know what happened but this isn't the right direction. At least Ford has started in the right direction with their new 999cc engine. I just wish Chevy would drop their Volt hype and get on this bandwagon as well.

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Hybrid vehicles are a joke. There's a reason the batteries for those cars aren't made in house or anywhere near their country of origin. Nobody wants to deal with the waste and pollution made from making those batteries. 20 years ago there were vehicles that averaged +40 MPG without a huge battery. Now we're suppose to applaud a manufacturer because their hybrid gets 34 MPG? I don't know what happened but this isn't the right direction. At least Ford has started in the right direction with their new 999cc engine. I just wish Chevy would drop their Volt hype and get on this bandwagon as well.
Yea hybrids are for hipster enviro's. They are not more economical and are actually worse for the environment. My question is why not diesel. There are diesels in Europe that get much better milage than any hybrid and diesel fuel gives more production options. There are a fuel diesel cars stateside, but they aren't very popular.
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not sure a sudden dip prior to election, and him taking office, is an accurate portrayal


While not an end all be all source of gas prices, that's what these guys have been tracking for some time, so ....


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Yea hybrids are for hipster enviro's. They are not more economical and are actually worse for the environment. My question is why not diesel. There are diesels in Europe that get much better milage than any hybrid and diesel fuel gives more production options. There are a fuel diesel cars stateside, but they aren't very popular.
Diesels were initially the answer when the gas crisis in the 70s hit. I don't know if you remember those older Mercedes Benz that were all powered by diesel. But after the Clean Air act, diesels got a bad reputation as a dirty motor. Which at the time was true, they exhaust smelled bad and they made lots of soot. But the technology as you know has changed a lot. The fuel has as well with the introduction of Bio Diesel. But it's hard to shake off that title of being a dirty engine, coupled with the fact that people view finding a diesel station to be an inconvenience and you get low sales.

I'm with you though. Volkswagon makes some great clean diesel motors that will last forever and get great mileage. So does Toyota, I wish we could get the same I4 diesel motor they sell in the Helix over hear. That motor is darn near bulletproof.

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