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Internet Tax!!!!!

This is political but it should also be in the general info thread because it will effect 99% of the forum members who purchase online. Pretty sure it's 100% of the members but there may be someone that only buys in person.

DO NOT LET THIS PASS.
As some of you know I try to keep up to date with what is going on in Washington. I try to be straight up with you all on everything.

INTERNET TAX!!!!! Sign this and contact your representatives to keep this from happening. Many small business's will go under if this passes. The consumers are the ones that will pay this because online prices will increase to cover this cost.
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But...but..Obama said he only wants to raise taxes on millionaires. Not me.

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Goddam. Might as well tax the ground I walk on and the air I breath.
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Don't tempt them, I am sure there has already been talk of it. Like a "universal Air tax" That sounds good, right?




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Don't tempt them, I am sure there has already been talk of it. Like a "universal Air tax" That sounds good, right?
Have you seen the tax on bicycles in Seattle because the operators emit C02? (I'm not making this up!)

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That's right up there with the tanning tax.




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It will actually hurt big online companies, but help smaller ones. If you read the bill it appears it's only going to apply if you do 1 million in sales in that state. So from what I understand trippage, your or I, would have to do 1 mil in each state in sales for it to apply to us. Or maybe say 1 mil in just cali to have it apply to just that state for you or I. IMO this will really hurt the major players, but help the smaller guys. I won't buy from fry's or best buy (a tv) when I can purchase it from a smaller company and not pay tax. Thus it would help companies and hurt the larger ones that do say 50+ mil a year.

From what I understand it won't affect this industry that much at all. A few dealers will have to charge taxes in select states where they do more then 1 mil, but it would only be larger states for sportbikes like Cali/FL and would only apply to a few dealers.
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It will actually hurt big online companies, but help smaller ones. If you read the bill it appears it's only going to apply if you do 1 million in sales in that state. So from what I understand trippage, your or I, would have to do 1 mil in each state in sales for it to apply to us. Or maybe say 1 mil in just cali to have it apply to just that state for you or I. IMO this will really hurt the major players, but help the smaller guys. I won't buy from fry's or best buy (a tv) when I can purchase it from a smaller company and not pay tax. Thus it would help companies and hurt the larger ones that do say 50+ mil a year.

From what I understand it won't affect this industry that much at all. A few dealers will have to charge taxes in select states where they do more then 1 mil, but it would only be larger states for sportbikes like Cali/FL and would only apply to a few dealers.
Just wondering. What happens if a new hit motorcycle movie comes out. Let's say your average revenue is 750k every year for ten years.

Then this movie comes out and you hit 1,000,001 in November.

Oops. Now what do you do? You just hit with a huge tax bill you didn't account for. It probably would've been cheaper to close up before you hit 1mil.

Why is the federal government even getting involved in a state issue anyway?

And what happened to taxation without representation? How do I have democratic recourse about taxes I pay in another state?

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1 million per state? I do not believe that is the case, I would have to read it but that doesn't make sense. Online business can't guess at sales per state, we can't even guess at sales as a whole then set up tax for that state. I really don't see how this is going to work even with 1million in sales. How is that going to be determined? Past sales, Guessing future sales? If that is the case, then the company will most likely shut down when it hits 999,999 in sales and call it a year. Piss off government you can find your money somewhere else. Just the way I would do it if I ever got that much in sales.

I guess we will just have to see, looks like every local government is jumping for joy at all this money they are thinking they are going to get. They seem to forget that the company controls the site and can turn it off/on when they want so they can control sales.




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Look to who benefits from this bill. Only large companies will gain from this bill. The result is the same as any other bill for which big business lobbies. More regulation requires companies to fill out more paperwork and install more CYA protocols to the effect that smaller businesses can no longer compete with bigger businesses that have the overhead to keep up with such regulation. How many small businesses will have to hire someone(s) just to take care of the paperwork? How will they balance the cost of hiring? They will have to take a loss(not gonna happen), cheapen quality of product or increase price of the product to stay competitive. So who loses? The people always lose in this scenario. Customers who want the best quality for the least $, the guy making the next best thing in his garage that doesn't want to deal with the headaches of starting a business, or the unemployed looking for work. No one benefits from this bill except govt employees and those who are paying the politicians to vote. /rant
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Dear Mr. Soliman,

Thank you for contacting me in regard to online sales tax. I would like to take this opportunity to address this important issue.

As you know, on April 16, 2013, Senator Michael Enzi (R-WY) introduced the Marketplace Fairness Act of 2013 (S. 743). Currently, states are not allowed to require sales tax collection by out-of-state online retailers. This legislation would allow for state enforcement of sales tax collection by online retailers with greater than $1 million in sales, provided states take steps to simplify their sales tax system.

On May 6, 2013, the Senate passed S.743 by a 69-27 vote, and the bill now awaits further action in the House of Representatives. I did not support S. 743 because it will force businesses that sell products and services online to collect sales taxes from consumers in other states where these businesses have no physical representation. The Internet sales tax is nothing more than a money grab by tax-hungry state and local governments that are desperate for more revenue because they refuse to cut spending. If this does becomes law, it will force businesses in Florida to collect sales taxes imposed by over 9,000 jurisdictions throughout the U.S., forcing companies to spend more time and money figuring the regulations out and making sure they send the right amount to each state and municipality where their consumers reside.

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Welp, if this does pass buy all your ish now so you don't have to be taxed later!

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I received the same one Moe.
This explains it guys and it's not going to hurt anyone but the small business that has 1-10 employees and the owner does all the paperwork at the end of the day/week/quarter and the customers that shop online for things that the brick and mortar doesn't have available.
Just another tax a business will have to worry about. More hoops to jump through to be "FAIR" I must have missed this part where life was fair. Where equal opportunity means everyone starts at the start line but those that succeed and do "better" than others now have to wait at the finish line so they can all cross at the same time. 1 million in "total sales" sounds like a lot of money right? Now just think for a second. Your online shop that sells track suits/jackets/boots/gloves/helmets/motorcycle accessories. How many full suits/boots/gloves/helmets/accessories does it take to get to 1 million in sales when your avg suit is $600-$1000 and your helmet is $400-$1000 then your $100+ gloves and your $400 boots. That's $1500 for one order. That's not even putting in an exhaust/pc3/tires. No one made the brick and mortar open a shop over having an online store. That brick and mortar store also has to have a store front to sell many of the items they have available. Parts unlimited "dealers" are required to have a store front to sell their items. That puts them at an advantage. It works both ways. Each venture has it's +/-.




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Whaaaaaaaaaaat I can't believe this. Obama said he wouldn't raise taxes on the middle class. Adding more taxes on me. I can't believe it. I thought Obama was telling the truth. Ooooooohhhh no.


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Ahhhh, I love how the dysfunctional government can't agree on anything but newer taxes. Awesome. Should be fun to see how the "pro-business" house will handle this one.

I haven't read the legislation, but my understanding of it means that it's going to crush small businesses. 1 mil a year in sales is nothing, I have several clients that fall into that category... They are the very definition of a small business. This will force them to hire more people/services just to deal with this crap, and cause them to lose business at the same time.

The main problem is the ridicules complexity of the tax codes... State + county + city + other tax rules make it insanely complex to figure out a sales tax, and be 100% accurate about it within your own state much less all the others.
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I wonder if "small business" could all group together to get the fair tax or flat tax on the table and be done with this. Nice and simple everyone loses/wins government gets the money.
I was going to post up 1million in sales is not that much, Thanks for this pbeaul, nice to see we are on the same side.




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Just wondering. What happens if a new hit motorcycle movie comes out. Let's say your average revenue is 750k every year for ten years.

Then this movie comes out and you hit 1,000,001 in November.

Oops. Now what do you do? You just hit with a huge tax bill you didn't account for. It probably would've been cheaper to close up before you hit 1mil.

Why is the federal government even getting involved in a state issue anyway?

And what happened to taxation without representation? How do I have democratic recourse about taxes I pay in another state?

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I heard at first it was 1 mil per state outside of your state, but doing my own research it appears it's 1 mil outside of your state which is a LOT of online businesses in this industry even. It's damn near every one that is still in business in fact.

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I wonder if "small business" could all group together to get the fair tax or flat tax on the table and be done with this. Nice and simple everyone loses/wins government gets the money.
I was going to post up 1million in sales is not that much, Thanks for this pbeaul, nice to see we are on the same side.
Nope, 1 mil in online sales isn't much at all. Sounds like a lot, but it's not and especially not when you're talking about cut throat margins on top of it.
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Nope, 1 mil in online sales isn't much at all. Sounds like a lot, but it's not and especially not when you're talking about cut throat margins on top of it.
Sheeit cost of goods sold is what? 60% of your revenue?

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Still trying to figure out how this is going to work.

Say a business made 1.5 mil in "GROSS sales" the previous year to this bill happening. That business is supposed to collect taxes for the 46 states that collect sales tax. Then they are going to pay this back quarterly/yearly "this hasn't been decided yet but what happens if the business doesn't have 1 mil in sales for the year? What happens to that money paid or that was supposed to be paid that the "customers" paid for? This seams really strange when you think about this. Are business's "projected sales" going to be as good a "actual sales" If there was a time we would be even close to 1 mil in sales I would shut the site down so we would not have to do this added paper work/tax.




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Still trying to figure out how this is going to work.
If there was a time we would be even close to 1 mil in sales I would shut the site down so we would not have to do this added paper work/tax.
Two thoughts:

The first is that this is impossible to implement or prepare for. Like you said, hit $999,999 in sales and just close the doors. Assuming sales taxes across the country average 8% that means you'd need to make over 1,100,000 in order to start making profit again. Hit $999,999 no sales tax. Hit $1,000,001 you automatically have to shell out $80,000 in gross revenue.

Secondly I think that's the entire point. Get "small business" folks on board by making the 1mil entry level and then when it becomes a cluster **** just eliminate that and apply it to everyone. You'll kill small businesses and get more people on the dole which is the lefts ultimate goal anyway.

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