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raising minimum wage has always lowered the standard of living in this country...but our government never wants to face the fact that they are taking the wrong approach. The view of the feds is always that their method was not bad they just did not put enough money into it, so lets do it bigger next time. Minimum wage laws are a proven failure so they will be around forever, and will periodically cost us more money.
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No raise in minimum wage. And on taxes tripage, taxes are money taken by force so I don't believe in any taxes. Free market all the way!
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Just because this was brought back to the table 7 months later. Here is a nice blunt way to put it.

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I think they should raise the minimum wage, increase taxes and mandate trackdays!

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I think they should raise the minimum wage, increase taxes and mandate trackdays!

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Absolutely! Hell, it was the white house that said people shouldn't have to work to cover healthcare... That people should be able to "follow their dreams."

Well what about my dreams? I want to race more! I think Obamacare should cover my rent, bike payment and tires!


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I'm not American so I can't comment on how it will affect you guys. But in general I'm not opposed to a minimum wage. I might disagree with the amount set as the minimum wage or the industries it applies to. However, if a minimum wage exists I think periodic increases only make sense. This is coming from someone who has also had to support himself since 19.
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I should probably post a serious comment before someone thinks I'm being serious... lol

Should the minimum wage be raised?

Depends on what your goal is?

Want to create jobs and better the workforce and thus better/strengthen our economy? ELIMINATE the minimum wage.

Want to increase the unemployment problem in this country and further increase the dependency on government? Then raise the minimum wage.

Pretty simple if you ask me... So what's the goal?


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Want to create jobs and better the workforce and thus better/strengthen our economy? ELIMINATE the minimum wage.
Exactly!. If you want the best effort out of people, make them compete against each other to see who's the best, and (BEST PAID!!!)

Instead, we get a bunch of people with no reason to put any extra effort in!! (The Socialist Utopia)

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Hell while they are at it let's just make 3 weeks paid mandatory vacation time after your first year at the job. Let's go all in and F up the whole job market. You know us small business owners are now "NEVER" going to hire someone if they are making $10/hr they better be able to do more than just sweep the floor/package up orders/read/write.




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In May Switzerland is voting on a new minimum wage of 25$/h. I'm against it and will vote No, basically for the reason of what FastEddie09 said.
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Capitalism is unsustainable, just like a pyramid scheme..if someone makes money out of nothing, others will have to pay up for it...minimum wage makes it worse, by giving these clueless 'others' more purchasing power...imo

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Actually capitalism is what provides the balance, it's government that screws it up.

Think about it, someone creates a good or service that people want, high demand means this person can charge lots. Which means big profits. Big profits means others will try to get in on the action.

When they do the demand is lowered, because of the competition. That continues until it reaches a balance. That balance is the line where it becomes unprofitable to get into said line of business.

BUT, if you can get in with government... Then you can regulate who gets into the business, thus controlling your competition...


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Actually capitalism is what provides the balance, it's government that screws it up.

Think about it, someone creates a good or service that people want, high demand means this person can charge lots. Which means big profits. Big profits means others will try to get in on the action.

When they do the demand is lowered, because of the competition. That continues until it reaches a balance. That balance is the line where it becomes unprofitable to get into said line of business.

BUT, if you can get in with government... Then you can regulate who gets into the business, thus controlling your competition...
Imo, the problem with capitalism ( and several other -isms) is the way it treats money..money is a measure of value or worth... It's not a good that can be rented (interest), nor a service. When someone loans out x, he loses x purchasing power to someone else. Then he collects his x, plus interest, thus created money out of thin air. Its not a service either. Providing a service requires expenses, labor, risk, and a balance statement that may or may not break-even and make profits. Some may argue that loans are services, banking is a service, but imo banking is, not loaning. What banks do is take a chunk out of this money, that is still made out of thin air. Thus owning lots of money guarantees that you will keep making tons of more money without even trying at no risk of loss. Minimum wage raises a sense of security, drivng burrowing and increases loans. This kind of market is unsustainable and will keep collapsing every once in a while to normalize. Ever wonder how the richest 35 people own more than the poorest 3.5 billion?

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Imo, the problem with capitalism ( and several other -isms) is the way it treats money..money is a measure of value or worth... It's not a good that can be rented (interest), nor a service. When someone loans out x, he loses x purchasing power to someone else.
Correct, but it's balanced by the increase in purchasing power of that who received said loan... Not sure what your point there is...

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Then he collects his x, plus interest, thus created money out of thin air.
How is it created out of thin air? If the person took a loan and used said loan to create a product or a service by which he then made a profit and used those profits to pay back the loan with the interest, that money was earned through the production of the good or service that was provided...

Again, doesn't make sense...

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Its not a service either. Providing a service requires expenses, labor, risk, and a balance statement that may or may not break-even and make profits. Some may argue that loans are services, banking is a service, but imo banking is, not loaning. What banks do is take a chunk out of this money, that is still made out of thin air. Thus owning lots of money guarantees that you will keep making tons of more money without even trying at no risk of loss.
Umm... Loaning money does come with risk, LOTS of risk! That's why they are able to charge interest. And maybe you heard of the recent financial crisis that the US went through pretty recently... LOL Again, that's a service provided and it's NOT created out of thin air. That is currency that is traded.

The only entity that can CREATE currency out of thin air is the government! If anyone else does it, they go to jail!


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Minimum wage raises a sense of security, drivng burrowing and increases loans. This kind of market is unsustainable and will keep collapsing every once in a while to normalize. Ever wonder how the richest 35 people own more than the poorest 3.5 billion?
This is the one absolutely correct thing you said! But minimum wage has ZERO to do with the rest of your post... Minimum wage IS the creation of value (out of thin air) to which the markets (through capitalism) has to balance, and does...


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