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post #31 of 36 (permalink) Old 10-10-2013, 02:02 AM
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I believe that our government has tragically surpassed the point of citizen control.
our president just publically announced that him and his party were chosen by God, and it would be a sin to vote against them. he said this at a church.

the population barely reacted.

that is citizen control......


but yes, US gov similarly abuse a content populace.



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The part that seems to be forgotten in OUR case (the United States) is what our intention and structure of our form of government.

For example:
The house is supposed to represent the people, it's structured so that these representatives are closest to the people that elect them.

The senate is supposed to represent the states and answer to the states they represent.

Now, if you think about that... What would you have? Well it's pretty evident that the majority of the U.S. was never in support of the ACA law. In addition to that, the house has control over the house by running on repealing that very law. That would give you indication also, that the people are against it. By that you would expect the house to do the will of their constituents and fight against said law.

Now, what about the states? Well 26 of them (a majority) have signed onto a lawsuit against the law. And more have vowed to oppose the exchanges or implementation of the Medicare portions of the law. Clearly a majority of the states oppose the law as well...

The only issue is that the senate is NOT representing their states as they are supposed to do.


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post #34 of 36 (permalink) Old 10-10-2013, 12:28 PM
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The part that seems to be forgotten in OUR case (the United States) is what our intention and structure of our form of government.

For example:
The house is supposed to represent the people, it's structured so that these representatives are closest to the people that elect them.

The senate is supposed to represent the states and answer to the states they represent.

Now, if you think about that... What would you have? Well it's pretty evident that the majority of the U.S. was never in support of the ACA law. In addition to that, the house has control over the house by running on repealing that very law. That would give you indication also, that the people are against it. By that you would expect the house to do the will of their constituents and fight against said law.

Now, what about the states? Well 26 of them (a majority) have signed onto a lawsuit against the law. And more have vowed to oppose the exchanges or implementation of the Medicare portions of the law. Clearly a majority of the states oppose the law as well...

The only issue is that the senate is NOT representing their states as they are supposed to do.
Fully agree.

We now have two houses in Congress that are elected by the people. We might as well have a unicameral legislature.

The Dems are terrified of going back to the way it was because way over half of all states have Republican majorities in their state legislatures. This would mean the Senate would be Republican all the time.

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Fully agree.

We now have two houses in Congress that are elected by the people. We might as well have a unicameral legislature.

The Dems are terrified of going back to the way it was because way over half of all states have Republican majorities in their state legislatures. This would mean the Senate would be Republican all the time.

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LOL You're probably right! It was a flaw in changing the election of senators, but the purpose of the senator wasn't suppose to change.

Obviously, taking out the mechanism that elects them would no doubt change their thought process... Humans and our flaws...


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Edit- I had a question but ima read the whole thread before I pop off at the mouth. I'll ask after I have a chance to catch up

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