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Is there anyone on this forum that has benefited from Obamacare or has their insurance been cancelled or gone up?


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My job cut everyones hours down to 28 per week to avoid having to provide insurance so I had to go out and get a second job. Kinda the opposite of benefiting.

Knew it was gonna happen tho and have been telling the people who say obamacare is so noble how dumb they are for years.
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I appreciate being able to stay on parents health insurance until 25 after I was laid off and lost my benefits! Other then that it is stupid. My girlfriend recently got a job at Safeway that is doing the same thing, hiring part time employees to skimp on paying insurance.....great try Obama.


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I had free brain surgery. Totally for free, it didn't cost anyone anything. Money just magically appeared by the truck load and paid for all my problems. Obamacare saves lives, one magical moment at a time.

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I had free brain surgery. Totally for free, it didn't cost anyone anything. Money just magically appeared by the truck load and paid for all my problems. Obamacare saves lives, one magical moment at a time.
God bless Obama!!!
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I had free brain surgery. Totally for free, it didn't cost anyone anything. Money just magically appeared by the truck load and paid for all my problems. Obamacare saves lives, one magical moment at a time.
Lol funny thing is, that's actually how it works with our money. Since its not backed by or tied to anything (i.e. gold), the federal reserve just prints it by the truckload. Which in turn devalues the dollar via inflation.
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Personally, I had my plans go way up in being compliant with the law.

My existing plan was about $3,700 per year with a $2,500 deductible. However it wasn't ACA compliant. I didn't have maternity coverage, contraception, etc... (none of which I wanted...)

My updated plan, see ACA compliant version of the same plan, now costs me $8,600.00 with a $10,000.00 deductible.

Which I sadly, cannot afford and will be losing December 31st.

For the first time in 16 years I will be without health insurance. :(

Luckily I had shoulder surgery in January before the switch. Yes, I liked my doctors and my plan, I wanted to keep them!!


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My job cut everyones hours down to 28 per week to avoid having to provide insurance so I had to go out and get a second job. Kinda the opposite of benefiting.

Knew it was gonna happen tho and have been telling the people who say obamacare is so noble how dumb they are for years.
Sorry to hear about your hours cut back. So...that's not the fault of your employer?

And, if you knew it was going to happen years in advance, why stay in that situation?
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Sorry to hear about your hours cut back. So...that's not the fault of your employer?
No, businesses need to do what they can to survive. If the dumb **** of a president passes a law that makes businesses spend money unnecessarily, it forces their hand into making these types of decisions.


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And, if you knew it was going to happen years in advance, why stay in that situation?
Not everyone can just up and change their situation. Contrary to what Obama wants you to think it's not any easier to find jobs out there.

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Sorry to hear about your hours cut back. So...that's not the fault of your employer?
Is it the fault of the employer that the regulations imposed on them made it sensible to make such a cut?

What if the other option was the fire the employee as they couldn't afford to provide the insurance that was being demanded of them?


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I feel bad for all you guys. I never have to pay a dime for anything... But apparently our system is stupid
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I feel bad for all you guys. I never have to pay a dime for anything... But apparently our system is stupid
Actually, you ARE paying for it! Or you're forcing someone else to pay for it.


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Certainly some of our tax dollars go to healthcare funding, but that's ok
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Certainly some of our tax dollars go to healthcare funding, but that's ok
Right, so you're statement about not paying a "dime" was incorrect...

In fact, you don't know how much you actually do pay?! Do you?

Wouldn't that be a useful thing to know? You also have plans that are selected for you, by your government. With procedures that are deems ok to be performed on you, based on factors THEY prioritize.

We, here in the U.S. have never had that. If we wanted something, WE decided for ourselves whether or not we were to get it.

We decided how much we wanted to spend (unlike you, who has no choice). And now we are losing our options that we were promised we could keep, losing doctors some of us have had our entire lives, that we were promised we could keep...


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I was told mine was going up $120 a month and I would have to change policies. Then got another letter saying for this next year I could keep my current policy. I guess because of the problem's that are going on.

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Right, so you're statement about not paying a "dime" was incorrect...

In fact, you don't know how much you actually do pay?! Do you?

Wouldn't that be a useful thing to know? You also have plans that are selected for you, by your government. With procedures that are deems ok to be performed on you, based on factors THEY prioritize.

We, here in the U.S. have never had that. If we wanted something, WE decided for ourselves whether or not we were to get it.

We decided how much we wanted to spend (unlike you, who has no choice). And now we are losing our options that we were promised we could keep, losing doctors some of us have had our entire lives, that we were promised we could keep...


If you're rich sure... I hate to say this but I trust our government a whole lot more than I trust private sector insurance.

You can go on about the system in the US but sadly it falls short... On the world level the US ranks shamefully low when it comes to healthcare. Mainly because the entire system was built for the rich, not the people.
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Well why did you accept this system? Oh wait; it's USA, ordinary people don't have a voice.
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If you're rich sure... I hate to say this but I trust our government a whole lot more than I trust private sector insurance.

You can go on about the system in the US but sadly it falls short... On the world level the US ranks shamefully low when it comes to healthcare. Mainly because the entire system was built for the rich, not the people.
Sorry wibbly, but IMO, you're as wrong as could be... No disrespect...

Our systems isn't just for the rich. In fact, I can have a policy that includes the very same doctors that the rich person's policy has.

In your system, it's the rich who pay for the "good" doctors directly, outside the government system.

Those "studies" that rank healthcare systems around the world are hilarious!

Want to quote them, then lets discuss them. Which one are you referring to? The reason I ask is because each uses a different method in ranking of these systems. Whether it's cost, access, coverage, persons with coverage, etc... All of which can be debated as to whether or not IT's the priority.

So, if you want to use a study like this as your basis of belief, cite the one you see as being just and lets see what it uses as its matrix for ranking these systems.


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Well why did you accept this system? Oh wait; it's USA, ordinary people don't have a voice.
lol we used to... Seems like that was a LONG time ago...


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Things are gonna get heated in here. I'm not gonna get involved because Obama just makes my blood boil. So I'll sit and watch


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lol we used to... Seems like that was a LONG time ago...
We give them the power they abuse. And we allow it.

As for healthcare. I will be the first to agree that America is unhealthy, but it's by no means the fault of the healthcare system in place.

You can't make obese people fit with healthcare. You can't force a drunk to stop drinking or a smoker to stop smoking. You can't make someone eat right or workout regularly. But when someone gets congestive heart failure from a lifetime of obesity, I refuse to pay for their medical expenses.

If that same person can afford it on his own, then let it be. If not, well, Darwinism will prevail.

I'm a Marine and we get our healthcare provided to us as long as we are active duty. Relative to the average population we are extremely healthy. We are also required to exercise daily. That alone keeps most of us out of the medical system. There are the few that take advantage of medical but most of it is to avoid duty. The fact that I have to pay for someone else's bad habits is ridiculous.

This all really comes back to personal responsibility. We have taken that one aspect out of the American population. Don't worry about getting a job, the government will take care of you. Need a cell phone? Government will provide. Get sick? Government. Need food? Government. Need spending money? Government. How about a place to live? GOVERNMENT.


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Well why did you accept this system? Oh wait; it's USA, ordinary people don't have a voice.
We have a winner.

Democracy isn't freedom, it's two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.

Liberty is freedom. Unfortunately we voted away our liberty in favor of socialism and entitlements for the majority that hate to work for anything.
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We give them the power they abuse. And we allow it.
Absolutely!!!! And we continue to give them more and allow them to TAKE more.

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You can't make obese people fit with healthcare. You can't force a drunk to stop drinking or a smoker to stop smoking. You can't make someone eat right or workout regularly.
Oh that's on the way though, they WILL mandate excercise! It's only a matter of time. This was only a stepping stone. Not for things that they want, but not the things they will need for it to survive.

Mandatory gym memberships coming to a citizen near you! And when the public can't afford it, maybe we'll nationalize the gyms! lol


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We have a winner.

Democracy isn't freedom, it's two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.

Liberty is freedom. Unfortunately we voted away our liberty in favor of socialism and entitlements for the majority that hate to work for anything.
So true! (side note though, we aren't, or should I say, WEREN'T a democracy... But rather we WERE a republic...


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If you're rich sure... I hate to say this but I trust our government a whole lot more than I trust private sector insurance.

You can go on about the system in the US but sadly it falls short... On the world level the US ranks shamefully low when it comes to healthcare. Mainly because the entire system was built for the rich, not the people.
Quite the contrary!! It was built for people who work full time and pay taxes. Not some mooch that stays home and collects welfare! It's funny I'm most certainly not "rich", however my 3 kids, wife and I have excellent health coverage.
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The ridiculous thing is, it affects everyone but the people who put it in place!To all the Obama voters out there I'd like to offer you a foot. To shove in you're a$$!! Thank you all very much..
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The ridiculous thing is, it affects everyone but the people who put it in place!To all the Obama voters out there I'd like to offer you a foot. To shove in you're a$$!! Thank you all very much..
Obama's big union friends are getting exemptions. Greeeaaattt...
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<<< The company I work for has always provided great healthcare plans for all of the employees. Thanks to this ******* president, all of our policies are being canceled and replaced with more expensive high deductible plans. The company is still covering all of the premiums, but... My individual insurance policy price is going up to $750 a month, and, the insurance won't cover a dime until I spend $1000.00 out of pocket.

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