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I have a guy on FB commenting saying that Phil is totally in the wrong for saying what he believes in simply because he is on TV and he should only be able to say what others agree is appropriate. So does the fact youre being recorded on TV revoke a persons right to free speech? Man I'd have nothing to say then lol

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I would bet it's scripted also. A&E also bounced Dog with his rant against black people. He came back after an apology. I would bet this guy does the same and is back asap.

I guess you can say whatever you want and be free from imprisonment, but your job and the company that signs your check is a different story. Right or wrong it's not the first time or the last this will happen. It's only gonna get worse.
Yea I agree, that's why I said most of it is edited. These later seasons seem fake, compared to the early ones. I would love to see the show just end. I'm a fan of it, but A&E has ran it into the ground.

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I don't agree with the anti-gay views, even though I'm a heterosexual person. The backlash that Phil Robertson is being subjected to, including suspension by A&E is a violation of his first amendment rights. The people that are violating his rights should be the ones that are being punished.

Americans seem to be willing to throw their rights away in the interest of "political correctness". Guess what, in real life not everyone gets a trophy. I happen to think that "The Redskins" is a fantastic name for a football team. I also understand what the word "retarded" actually means, and sometimes it fits the situation. This is the pussification of America, and people seem very happy to add to it. Screw that, you can't have my rights, my guns, or my liberty and freedom.

So, what do you think? Here are a variety of stories, from a variety of sources. I don't want to be accused of media bias in my post.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...ty-fans-react/

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/19/showbi...ion/index.html

http://www.msnbc.com/thomas-roberts/...i-gay-comments

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013/...phil+robertson

Here is a good overview of freedom of speech.

http://www.uscourts.gov/educational-...ee-speech.aspx

I couldn't agree more personally. I was in the military (our rights are important to me) and imo if asked your opinion you should be able to state it without too much backlash. I know some will not agree, but everyone is entitled to their opinion and the right to answer a question in America. Especially when you're a star on a REALITY TV SHOW ABOUT YOURSELF. He can't give a realistic answer when he's on a reality tv show? Call me crazy, but it seems a bit absurd.
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I have a guy on FB commenting saying that Phil is totally in the wrong for saying what he believes in simply because he is on TV and he should only be able to say what others agree is appropriate. So does the fact youre being recorded on TV revoke a persons right to free speech? Man I'd have nothing to say then lol

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"We want to thank all of you for your prayers and support. The family has spent much time in prayer since learning of A&E's decision. We want you to know that first and foremost we are a family rooted in our faith in God and our belief that the Bible is His word. While some of Phils unfiltered comments to the reporter were coarse, his beliefs are grounded in the teachings of the Bible. Phil is a Godly man who follows what the Bible says are the greatest commandments: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and Love your neighbor as yourself. Phil would never incite or encourage hate.We are disappointed that Phil has been placed on hiatus for expressing his faith, which is his constitutionally protected right.We have had a successful working relationship with A&E but, as a family, we cannot imagine the show going forward without our patriarch at the helm. We are in discussions with A&E to see what that means for the future of Duck Dynasty. Again, thank you for your continued support of our family."


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I don't agree with what was said but I'm kinda surprised no one has said this yet but his first amendment right were not even close to being violated. The right to free speech means the right to say anything without interference or prosecution from the government. It does NOT protect you from suspension or termination from your employer.....just sayin lol


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Noam Chomsky: Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you're really in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of freedom of speech for precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're not in favor of free speech.

In this country we talk about freedom of speech yet we hate people for speaking their mind if we disagree with them and love them if we agree with them. If this is the way this person feels nothing wrong with it unless you start acting on it and hurting others in a way our society defines harmful.
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Noam Chomsky: Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you're really in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of freedom of speech for precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're not in favor of free speech.

In this country we talk about freedom of speech yet we hate people for speaking their mind if we disagree with them and love them if we agree with them. If this is the way this person feels nothing wrong with it unless you start acting on it and hurting others in a way our society defines harmful.
True. We all have different beliefs and ideals of life and we should be able to express those truthfully when asked. He didn't go around with a big sign bashing anyone. He was simplybasked to express his ppersonal thoughts. Why is it noone is talking about the part where he states no matter the choices the person is loved the same?

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Noam Chomsky: Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you're really in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of freedom of speech for precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you're not in favor of free speech.

In this country we talk about freedom of speech yet we hate people for speaking their mind if we disagree with them and love them if we agree with them. If this is the way this person feels nothing wrong with it unless you start acting on it and hurting others in a way our society defines harmful.
True. We all have different beliefs and ideals of life and we should be able to express those truthfully when asked. He didn't go around with a big sign bashing anyone. He was simplybasked to express his ppersonal thoughts. Why is it noone is talking about the part where he states no matter the choices the person is loved the same?

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I am very NON-religious. Yet I will defend a persons right to embrace and celebrate the religion of their choice. What I dislike most is bias and hatred based on a difference of opinion. For example, the gixxer hatred that is expressed here quite often.
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I am very NON-religious. Yet I will defend a persons right to embrace and celebrate the religion of their choice. What I dislike most is bias and hatred based on a difference of opinion. For example, the gixxer hatred that is expressed here quite often.
Well said. Any "freedom of speech" isn't there to protect what you like, but what you dislike. Not too mention...did A&E not vet him or something? Oh wait, he just converted to Christianity? Christianity just picked up these beliefs? They knew what he was like. Not too mention who is holding him to this high of a standard to where he's too offend as few people as possible? He's not running for public office or the presidency. He was hired "to be himself" and just look at any pic of the family and you expect them to be 100% politically correct? bwhahaha yah right...
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I don't agree with what was said but I'm kinda surprised no one has said this yet but his first amendment right were not even close to being violated.
I covered that in the first post.

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Here is a good overview of freedom of speech.

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[quote=TheX;5759921]I don't agree with the anti-gay views, even though I'm a heterosexual person. The backlash that Phil Robertson is being subjected to, including suspension by A&E is a violation of his first amendment rights. The people that are violating his rights should be the ones that are being punished.



So where did you say his first amendment rights weren't being violated? Lmao



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I have mixed feelings about this. Everyone has their right to say how they feel and their entitled to it. I don't feel like he was bashing the gay community by any means, he just doesn't agree w it, wc he has the right too.

But at the same time he should know better to say something publicly like that, when ur a celeb, if u call him that, u know the media eats up everything u say, will try to twist and turn the truth just to get ratings. So he should have known better to even bring up the topic.

I keep hearing freedom of speech is what America is about on radio stations wc IMO is BS. We don't have freedom of speech, if we did then things like this wouldn't happen. I feel freedom of speech is u can say what u want without bing penalized, fired, sued, etc... As long as ur not saying it in a hurtful, demeaning way that is...


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Ya know, this is the best discussion I've seen so far on this forum. Due to it being just that, a discussion. I haven't seen any snide remarks towards other users because of their views towards the subject and I think its great. No one is hating on someone else because they dont agree with them. guys.

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So where did you say his first amendment rights weren't being violated? Lmao
Read my quote, slowly. I think you'll figure it out.
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The reality is the bible says gays are sinners or whatever nonsense... I find it funny because a lot of Christians now a days support gays but if you are truly Christian you obviously can't..people just manipulate the bible to suit them people are christian and like oh wow I support gays oh dinosaurs existed oh I believe in science...good for him for standing by his belief but ultimately I think religion mainly Christians are stupid and I have nothing against gays...rant

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Freedom of speech means he can't be imprisoned for saying it, but there are certainly consequences for what you say. People get fired all the time for stuff they post on social media. If I did anything publicly like that my employer would probably fire or suspend me too

And don't get me started on "what the bible says." Practice what you want, I don't care if you are religious, but according to the bible divorce is a sin too.

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That's cute. Except he said this off the air in an interview about his background and opinions. He never acted like a bigot only stated he didn't understand their choice. So if your boss likes your sports team rival he should be ok firing you if he sees you at a Buffalo Wild Wings wearing their jersey. I don't see how this is any different.

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That's cute. Except he said this off the air in an interview about his background and opinions. He never acted like a bigot only stated he didn't understand their choice. So if your boss likes your sports team rival he should be ok firing you if he sees you at a Buffalo Wild Wings wearing their jersey. I don't see how this is any different.
True but in employment at will states you can fire someone for any reason. There is a company that will fire you for smoking on your own free time

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That's cute. Except he said this off the air in an interview about his background and opinions. He never acted like a bigot only stated he didn't understand their choice. So if your boss likes your sports team rival he should be ok firing you if he sees you at a Buffalo Wild Wings wearing their jersey. I don't see how this is any different.
He compared it to having sex with animals. Went beyond I don't understand it.

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